Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Cheers mate, nice reply. Quite right about our legal system but also if ordinary folk like you and I had a grievance what chance have we got. Needs a lot of money to go to court that is also somethingthat should be addressed. It seems most of the time that it is a preorative of the wealthy.

BIt by bit access to legal means has been removed from ordinary people, even habeus corpus has taken its leave and boogered off. The de facto privatisation of the legal system, from ambulance chasing to complicity in Guantanamo has left the general public wide open in a very real Kafka-esque scenario, only if the system is recognised and accepted by the overwhelming majority, if not, as the guru Edwyn Collins recanted in one of his mantras we should "Rip it up and start again..."
 
Well said Bruce, thank you. Our system is too geared to the elite and controlled by them. Look at the BHS fiasco and think of the thousands screwed by Green, he was not the first remember Maxwell? I am more of a socialist these days but not quite as much as JC wishes for. having said that we do have some caring companies let us be fair onthat they are not all a bad lot like Green.

As for some of the points raised, none of our governments what ever their make up have ever shown any desire to deal with and bring about change. As for a census I think there will not be any more.
 
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There is that possibility but some how I do not think she would have got away with it, TBH. BTW what is our constitutional process. The government was elected to carry out the will of the electorate based on it's manifesto, the will of the people is to leave the EU so the government should act accordingly.
She was intending doing exactly that, only the court case has stopped her in her tracks, she had zero intention of getting a mandate from the House and openly said so. Hence the appeal.

The Govt manifesto has zero in it about what they would do if Brexit was the result of the referendum. As a Govt they have no mandate.

Our constitutional process is that we're a parliamentary democracy, May was trying to act like a dictator pushing through a change in UK citizens rights without going through the House.

Charles I was executed for it, just sayin.....
 
She was intending doing exactly that, only the court case has stopped her in her tracks, she had zero intention of getting a mandate from the House and openly said so. Hence the appeal.

The Govt manifesto has zero in it about what they would do if Brexit was the result of the referendum. As a Govt they have no mandate.

Our constitutional process is that we're a parliamentary democracy, May was trying to act like a dictator pushing through a change in UK citizens rights without going through the House.

Charles I was executed for it, just sayin.....

I think because they never thought the vote would go the way it did.
 
She was intending doing exactly that, only the court case has stopped her in her tracks, she had zero intention of getting a mandate from the House and openly said so. Hence the appeal.

The Govt manifesto has zero in it about what they would do if Brexit was the result of the referendum. As a Govt they have no mandate.

Our constitutional process is that we're a parliamentary democracy, May was trying to act like a dictator pushing through a change in UK citizens rights without going through the House.

Charles I was executed for it, just sayin.....

HHMMM but they turned on Cromwell and invited a king back.so much for history.:)
 
Does no one see the irony here. The country voted to take power back from the European Parliament and place it in Westminster, the country voted to stop having European law makers telling British courts what to do and when the British courts say that Parliament has to make the decision suddenly we find that isn't what we want at all.
Yes that is the irony, but it was not put on the ballot paper, it was leaflets by the government the one that cost £8 million
Sent to each household stated an OUT vote would be to leave the EU and the single market!
Did the Scots miss a trick when they lost their referendum?
No percentages were given it was a majority vote by the way if it had been a GE the out vote based on constitutional seats would have had an overwhelming majority in parliment now as many many Labour seats went to out!

If the Supreme Court over rules this high court judgement which by the way is only about parliment voting to sign article 50 common sense should prevail with a cross Party management of Brexit our negotiating skills are needed to give us access to parts of the single market like most other countries do!
As I pointed out before you could argue the basis on negotiations from now till March, agree on it in our Parliment, and the EU just say no thank you!
Don,t forget we have then two years to come up with hopefully a favourable deal, if it goes via the courts it's fine by me as its only on the basis of article 50 being signed by our souverien parliment if a gun is held to the PMs head expect a GE!
 
Well said Bruce, thank you. Our system is too geared to the elite and controlled by them. Look at the BHS fiasco and think of the thousands screwed by Green, he was not the first remember Maxwell? I am more of a socialist these days but not quite as much as JC wishes for. having said that we do have some caring companies let us be fair onthat they are not all a bad lot like Green.

As for some of the points raised, none of our governments what ever their make up have ever shown any desire to deal with and bring about change. As for a census I think there will not be any more.

I don't know if it's geared to the elite, but governments of whatever stripe tend to struggle with (relatively) rapid change. Goodness, it's something the corporate world struggles with and they're a lot more adaptable than governments tend to be. If that isn't bad enough, we've got a trend in recent years of politicians making increasingly grand promises that they often have no hope of keeping.
 
Voted and want Brexit , but don't have a problem with it going to parliament at all , gives us all a chance to see what are MP'S are made of, are they self serving ie want to stay in, because that's what they want or do they really represent the people who put them in power and let us get on with it and go.
Interesting times ahead on a couple of points.
What will the lords do.
How will the EU view and react to the further uncertainty and delay, couple of big elections coming up, and the Italian Pm already saying it needs to be done as its stalling major decisions within the EU, lasting even longer caused ironically by its supporters in the UK.
Will we have an election.
Hope myself, the Lords gets disbanded , we have an election , and it drags on even longer till we get thrown out or get a leader that can lead one way or the other to put an end to it all.
 
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Voted and want Brexit , but don't have a problem with it going to parliament at all , gives us all a chance to see what are MP'S are made of, are they self serving ie want to stay in, because that's what they want or do they really represent the people who put them in power and let us get on with it and go.
Interesting times ahead on a couple of points.

72.3% of the people in my borough voted remain, so yes, hopefully the 3 mps that represent the borough in parliament will do so accordingly ;)
 
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