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At least I am not googling every answer Bruce or wanting the UK to go bust!
If we had a toss of a coin and she won I would go the way she chose if she had won the toss just like the electorate of this country chose to be OUT of the EU!
A democratic vote that you can not your head around if Trump wins next week you will want that overturned probably too?
I do not give a damn who wins by the way two rouge candidates you may as well toss a coin for that!
Brexit means Brexit my point is the two in charge left May in a spot as they thought remain would win like you did?
yes as we will be outside it from a polictical view!
Hard right more like the centre ground!
fairness to workers etc scrap the WCA in the future etc etc
The evidence that we are leaving !
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I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with Matthew Scott of The Telegraph. He focuses on 'Conservatives' but much of what he says applies to a wider audience.
It's lengthy but well worth the read:
Why all Conservatives should want Parliament to have the final say on Article 50
The legal battle over whether Article 50 should be triggered by the Prime Minister wielding the Royal Prerogative (as the Government wants) or by an Act of Parliament (as the Remainer litigants contend is necessary) is proving to be a much tougher fight than many had predicted.
It's lengthy but well worth the read:
Why all Conservatives should want Parliament to have the final say on Article 50
The legal battle over whether Article 50 should be triggered by the Prime Minister wielding the Royal Prerogative (as the Government wants) or by an Act of Parliament (as the Remainer litigants contend is necessary) is proving to be a much tougher fight than many had predicted.
Or a thorn in our side..............
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There's is no causal effect between those two statements.
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Or you've got a very closed mind.
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Do some research and you'll find they're pretty far out on the right at present.
I was thinking a bit about culture today (as you do), and the notion of national identity. Mathematically, if you have just 20 variables, whether that's shaking hands vs bowing or taking shoes off when you go into a house vs not, with those 20 simple variables alone you get over 1 million possible combinations.
That's not to say that national cultures don't exist, but when these have been studied there has been an awful lot of heterogeneity (or variety if you prefer). So when we say Britain is one way, America another and China a third, whilst they may be broadly right, in reality there is a pretty wide spread within any one country, and therefore a lot of overlap between countries that on average may be far apart.
What makes all of this interesting is that guys like Geert Hofstede have studied this not only in countries but in companies too. He found that there is usually significant homogeneity within companies, or in other words, we choose to work with those that are like us, and this similarity was greater than any similarities based on nationality.
All of which begs the question, for me at least, if we choose like-minded cultures with regards to employment, is it not at least possible that migrants choosing to move to Britain are choosing along similar lines, and that whilst their native lands are on average different culturally, those that choose to move here are more aligned than we think.
I also thought a bit about the notion of sovereignty and law making. I was thinking of a couple of things that in Europe there has been convergence around a standard, namely the side of the road we drive on, and the type of plug we use. Relatively simple things.
The driving is a fairly obvious one in that there are clear road borders between the countries of Europe, so you can't drive on the left in country A and then as you cross over a border into country B you switch lanes. It'd be chaos. Sweden accepted this in the 60s and with more travel between countries, they converged on the standard in Europe of driving on the right.
The only reason we have maintained our driving on the left is because we're an island and therefore our border is not one that's crossed directly by car. I'm fairly sure that train tracks would have to be standardised however for the Eurostar to run correctly.
Now, the way some people talk, you'd think Sweden had given up some of their sovereign powers to make their own rules, or they were forgoing some of their culture to cowtow to European hegemony, but the reality is it's simply common sense to do this, not only for end users but also for manufacturers who no longer have to make cars for left and right sided steering wheels, or electrical devices with multiple different plugs.
I suspect the vast majority of the so called loss to our sovereignty is of a similar nature, but of course as so few appear able to name the laws that we'll be regaining control over it really is difficult to say.
That's not to say that national cultures don't exist, but when these have been studied there has been an awful lot of heterogeneity (or variety if you prefer). So when we say Britain is one way, America another and China a third, whilst they may be broadly right, in reality there is a pretty wide spread within any one country, and therefore a lot of overlap between countries that on average may be far apart.
What makes all of this interesting is that guys like Geert Hofstede have studied this not only in countries but in companies too. He found that there is usually significant homogeneity within companies, or in other words, we choose to work with those that are like us, and this similarity was greater than any similarities based on nationality.
All of which begs the question, for me at least, if we choose like-minded cultures with regards to employment, is it not at least possible that migrants choosing to move to Britain are choosing along similar lines, and that whilst their native lands are on average different culturally, those that choose to move here are more aligned than we think.
I also thought a bit about the notion of sovereignty and law making. I was thinking of a couple of things that in Europe there has been convergence around a standard, namely the side of the road we drive on, and the type of plug we use. Relatively simple things.
The driving is a fairly obvious one in that there are clear road borders between the countries of Europe, so you can't drive on the left in country A and then as you cross over a border into country B you switch lanes. It'd be chaos. Sweden accepted this in the 60s and with more travel between countries, they converged on the standard in Europe of driving on the right.
The only reason we have maintained our driving on the left is because we're an island and therefore our border is not one that's crossed directly by car. I'm fairly sure that train tracks would have to be standardised however for the Eurostar to run correctly.
Now, the way some people talk, you'd think Sweden had given up some of their sovereign powers to make their own rules, or they were forgoing some of their culture to cowtow to European hegemony, but the reality is it's simply common sense to do this, not only for end users but also for manufacturers who no longer have to make cars for left and right sided steering wheels, or electrical devices with multiple different plugs.
I suspect the vast majority of the so called loss to our sovereignty is of a similar nature, but of course as so few appear able to name the laws that we'll be regaining control over it really is difficult to say.
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@Joey66 An independent assessment of political parties immediately prior to the last election.
Tories in the centre?
Yes that's under Adolf and gideon gorbals there as been a distinct move by Theresa May to hype up the move centre ground Labour have left under leftist Corbyn and Ukip are not the force they were your chart again copying Bruce googling answers now are we?
is out of date!
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