I'd prefer them to stick to employment law in the UK
All the Remainers main pledge to keep workers rights in the EU OR HAVE YOU FORGOT THOSE PRICIPLED IF IT SUITS YOU.??".......?
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All the Remainers main pledge to keep workers rights in the EU OR HAVE YOU FORGOT THOSE PRICIPLED IF IT SUITS YOU.??".......?
Pienaar's gloves
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They have the same rights as any other self-employed person.
Eh mate, I thought you got a bit anal about people shouting.
Toffeelover
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Notwithstanding all the talk on Uber, Nissan, Movement, back to the simple question about what has taken place and moving forward.
For Europe it is of great value for the UK to remain, Brussels will continue to have a huge pile of money handed over every year of which a small portion will be returned.The member states will continue to have a massive trade surplus over the UK. The UK will increasingly be subject to EU legislation and lose more control over it's affairs. So Brussels et al are desperate not for us to leave and so are making all kinds of noises.
For Europe there will be problems if the UK leaves. There will be a black hole in the EU finances. Any trade difficulties imposed on the UK will hurt the member states far more than the UK because the trade surplus EU has could rapidly diminish. The UK will not be subject to Brussels directives. As for Global trade the UK will be able to resolve it's own trade issues with other nations and Europe. Under WTO rules if they are applied very strongly Europe will suffer far more than the UK.
To me it is clear for both parties that negotiations should be conducted in an atmosphere where goodwill prevails.
For Europe it is of great value for the UK to remain, Brussels will continue to have a huge pile of money handed over every year of which a small portion will be returned.The member states will continue to have a massive trade surplus over the UK. The UK will increasingly be subject to EU legislation and lose more control over it's affairs. So Brussels et al are desperate not for us to leave and so are making all kinds of noises.
For Europe there will be problems if the UK leaves. There will be a black hole in the EU finances. Any trade difficulties imposed on the UK will hurt the member states far more than the UK because the trade surplus EU has could rapidly diminish. The UK will not be subject to Brussels directives. As for Global trade the UK will be able to resolve it's own trade issues with other nations and Europe. Under WTO rules if they are applied very strongly Europe will suffer far more than the UK.
To me it is clear for both parties that negotiations should be conducted in an atmosphere where goodwill prevails.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Indeed, all this talk of 'punishing' and 'the EU has bigger clout at the WTO' etc is ignoring the basic fact that both sides, not just the UK, need this deal to be done as seamlessly as possible. As I've said before, it's only the politicians in the EU Commission and the Parliament, who's budget and livelihoods may be under threat, who will take time to come to this understanding. The national leaders will quickly understand the ramifications of an unseemly row........
Anal mirrors your posts TBH
Pienaar's gloves
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I notice you've stopped talking about Uber.
Yes because I am keeping on topic the EU thread I did link it to the EU ?
You just went off topic let the court decide!
Again a democratic tribunial give a result and you mirror image the referendum result by not accepting it plusI have been watching live football in between your annoyance of trolling me!
The Esk
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It's an interesting question.
In a single market, the freedom of movement for workers is an essential part of the economic equation that creates a single market. Without the freedom of movement of workers a single market cannot truly exist. In pure economic theory it allows the movement of people from high areas of unemployment to low areas (an essential aspect of trade in equalising economic conditions across the single market), and thus is both welfare enhancing and broadly wealth distributive.
Furthermore, in a single market with a single currency, movement of labour is one of the few adjustment methods given that currency movement is obviously not an option.
Therefore it is clear why the EU will not permit single market entry without agreement to the freedom of movement, something that the British Government reconfirmed in Cameron's new settlement deal in February 2016 .
The Esk
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Controlled movement of EU citizens is of course not permitted across the EU, being in breach of Treaty agreements and secondary legislation.
My stance (pro European and pro Single Market) is driven by what I believe to be in the best interests of the UK economically. There are additional benefits of course, security and increased human and worker right protections, as well as softer more cultural and societal benefits such as integration. However the economy is the most important thing because not only does that drive citizen's financial well-being, but equally importantly allows the Government to provide the health, education and social services desperately needed by large elements of society. Without a successful economy these services suffer, and as always the most needy are the most effected. So without any equivocation I say we must do what is best for our economy, and I have no doubt that means being an integral part of the EU and the single market.
In terms of my own circumstances I'm fortunately better off with a weaker pound, but that's not the driving force - I can look after myself, but there are millions of people out there who don't have that luxury - and we should act in their interests first and foremost.
AndyC
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I always thought the 'free' movement of EU citizens within the EU was primarily related to free movement for labour i.e. employment purposes, not as an absolute rite of passage beyond normal passport requirements... might be wrong and it might be something of a moot point.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
This was one thing Cameron got spot on......
"Cameron signalled on Thursday that he would warn EU leaders at their summit in Brussels that the appointment of Juncker as next head of the EU executive would increase support for a British withdrawal from the EU.
As Germany and France brushed aside British threats to call a vote on the Juncker nomination at a Brussels lunch on Friday and amid signs that EU leaders will offer overwhelming support for the former Luxembourg prime minister, Cameron warned of "consequences" if Juncker is endorsed.
He prepared the ground for a strong warning at the end of the summit on Friday afternoon about the consequences of his appointment, telling the BBC: "Everything has consequences in life. And obviously, I think proceeding in the way that countries are planning to proceed in choosing this individual is the wrong approach. I think that would be bad for not just [Britain], but all of Europe."
"Cameron signalled on Thursday that he would warn EU leaders at their summit in Brussels that the appointment of Juncker as next head of the EU executive would increase support for a British withdrawal from the EU.
As Germany and France brushed aside British threats to call a vote on the Juncker nomination at a Brussels lunch on Friday and amid signs that EU leaders will offer overwhelming support for the former Luxembourg prime minister, Cameron warned of "consequences" if Juncker is endorsed.
He prepared the ground for a strong warning at the end of the summit on Friday afternoon about the consequences of his appointment, telling the BBC: "Everything has consequences in life. And obviously, I think proceeding in the way that countries are planning to proceed in choosing this individual is the wrong approach. I think that would be bad for not just [Britain], but all of Europe."
The Esk
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Since Maastricht, freedom of movement and residence for persons in the EU is the cornerstone of Union citizenship
AndyC
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That clarifiesSince Maastricht, freedom of movement and residence for persons in the EU is the cornerstone of Union citizenship
Toffeelover
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A good reply Friend, thank you. My difference to this though is my desire for the UK to be in control of it's affairs and not dictated to by an external body. Unlike you I believe the UK can survive and prosper out side the EU, so all the points you mention can also be achieved by that route.
A point I raised in an earlier post frightens me, there is talk high up in Brussels of harmonising business tax rates across the EU member states so thus eliminating competition and of course will mean the likes of Eire could suffer. Okay just talk at the moment is perhaps indicative of the forward thinking that is taking place. If such legislation came into being it could also mean that Brussels would be in a position to control the expenditure of member states. A step towards USE which I most definitely did not want.
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I see the thrust of your argument. If all members of the entity were playing on the same field, trade would / might be enhanced. This would involve true monetary union, common taxation policies, lack of borders etc etc.
And herein we have the problem which financiers choose not to address: of all the nations (or regions) of Europe, the U K is the least suited psychologically to being subsumed in a superstate. National consciousness here has not been bruised by invasion. It is assertive rather than subservient. It has a happier experience of global adventure and an expectation of success both militarily and economically.
Losing the pound, "allowing Brussels to dictate our taxes" (as elements of the media would portray it) and abandonment of exclusion from the Schengen agreement are politically impossible as is continued immigration at current rates. And yet without these things, we cannot truly be said to be a unified economic entity if your thesis is followed. Trade still goes on.
It was pretty obvious that the real manifesto was (as has been openly stated) "Ever closer union". (A must have if the belief is that this necessary for economic development.) That would, I'm sure you'll agree, have been rejected out of hand by a much larger majority.
My own belief is that the creature is an ongoing experiment. There isn't a huge amount of economic theory written to cover the kind of enterprise the E U is engaged in and certainty in outcomes is misplaced.
Without adding an extra couple of chapters to this ridiculously long post, I'll leave the brotherhood of man benefits of the union for now.
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