Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Wow a Labour newspaper shock horror project fear continues!

Goldman Sachs......enough said.....

 

[The Esk]

I do know about WTO tariff quotas, and obviously both sides will argue their point as we divide them up equitably. So once again, why would the EU wish to be belligerent or make an enemy of the UK.

If you are now saying that the EU will just negotiate aggressively, then say so, and stop all this nonsense about how they have some form of upper hand via vetoes and so on. Pienaar's Gloves even believed that you were saying that the EU could veto the UK membership of the WTO, such was the tone.....but then again he is new to this.......

I expect everyone to negotiate aggressively, but I also want you and others to realise that when it comes down to the crunch the EU is a weightier and more important member of the WTO than the UK and ultimately that will be reflected in negotiations and the response of other WTO members.

That is undeniable.

 

[joey_macmo]

I expect everyone to negotiate aggressively, but I also want you and others to realise that when it comes down to the crunch the EU is a weightier and more important member of the WTO than the UK and ultimately that will be reflected in negotiations and the response of other WTO members.

That is undeniable.

They're blaming the Guardian and Sachs for the words of the Home Secretary/Primeinster so Id say that last line will be tested in 3,2,1........

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

No you got it right I don't like the EU polictical union glad the message as sunk in at last!

I'm a sceptic of any body that holds power. I think the EU in its present form is far from perfect.

The thing is Joey, you're a fundamentalist. The second you say you can't be swayed by any argument, your credibility takes a dive. It means that you can't be swayed by reason.

I'm not against criticism of the EU - but it's been hugely beneficial to the UK, Brexit is likely to be damaging and you don't want to engage with this.

That's your problem, probably my generation and my children that will pay for it, but it's your perogative to vote and debate on the basis of your unfounded and poorly reasoned argument.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

WAIT no way, you're blaming The Guardian for something the Prime Minister said?

That's special.

 

[Joey66]

WAIT no way, you're blaming The Guardian for something the Prime Minister said?

That's special.

I always got told I was special when I was younger!

 

[The Esk]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit

That really blows the Brexit argument and any confidence we or others may have in May wide apart.

I've talked of political leadership - time to blow this farce apart.

 

[peteblue]

I expect everyone to negotiate aggressively, but I also want you and others to realise that when it comes down to the crunch the EU is a weightier and more important member of the WTO than the UK and ultimately that will be reflected in negotiations and the response of other WTO members.

That is undeniable.

That is not undeniable and this is your usual response, all members are equal, there is no weighting otherwise when China properly comes on board it's game over. The UK has as much political clout around the world as the EU ( this now gives you another deflection point)......

So back to the question I have asked on more than a dozen occasions, WHY would the EU want to hurt the UK a country that can hurt the EU just as well, what is in it for them.

Just answer the question.......Don't give an opinion about something else, just answer the question...WHY.......

 

[peteblue]

That really blows the Brexit argument and any confidence we or others may have in May wide apart.

I've talked of political leadership - time to blow this farce apart.

Give it a rest mate....or should we just go with Corbyn........

 

[Joey66]

I'm a sceptic of any body that holds power. I think the EU in its present form is far from perfect.

The thing is Joey, you're a fundamentalist. The second you say you can't be swayed by any argument, your credibility takes a dive. It means that you can't be swayed by reason.

I'm not against criticism of the EU - but it's been hugely beneficial to the UK, Brexit is likely to be damaging and you don't want to engage with this.

That's your problem, probably my generation and my children that will pay for it, but it's your perogative to vote and debate on the basis of your unfounded and poorly reasoned argument.

My argument won the brexit vote yours lost
I accept it you don't
Its not down to us so why get personal???????????

 

[The Esk]

So back to the question I have asked on more than a dozen occasions, WHY would the EU want to hurt the UK a country that can hurt the EU just as well, what is in it for them

Are you being deliberate obtuse?

We have no leverage post Brexit - out of the single market, and no agreed WTO terms as an independent (of the EU) nation.

The EU in the meantime maintains their single market and their relationship with the WTO remains constant and intact.

They will and should be expected to, take every advantage of the situation, just as we would if the situation was reversed.

 

[joey_macmo]

WAIT no way, you're blaming The Guardian for something the Prime Minister said?

That's special.

Isn't the first time and won't be the last.

 

[The Esk]

Give it a rest mate....or should we just go with Corbyn........

This is the now Prime Minister giving a speech to bankers and investors less than 6 months ago which is completely the reverse of her position today.

It's nothing to do with Corbyn - it's only to do with the cuckoo like tendencies of May, a pure opportunist, totally unsuitable to lead our negotiations in the most important economic decisions our nation will make.

 

[Brennan]

This is the now Prime Minister giving a speech to bankers and investors less than 6 months ago which is completely the reverse of her position today.

It's nothing to do with Corbyn - it's only to do with the cuckoo like tendencies of May, a pure opportunist, totally unsuitable to lead our negotiations in the most important economic decisions our nation will make.

Yeah but Corbyn though.

 

[peteblue]

Are you being deliberate obtuse?

We have no leverage post Brexit - out of the single market, and no agreed WTO terms as an independent (of the EU) nation.

The EU in the meantime maintains their single market and their relationship with the WTO remains constant and intact.

They will and should be expected to, take every advantage of the situation, just as we would if the situation was reversed.

You have spent two nights trying to come up with an answer to a simple question. As you have now learnt about our relationship within the WTO you have slightly adjusted your words, but still not correct. The EU will also have to agree terms with the WTO as we will leave the EU and the EU terms will not remain constant and intact, because we will own a percentage of the quotas. Of course they will negotiate as hard as we will, but you tried to convince people on here that they have some upper hand, will lord it over us, have all sorts of vetoes, when in fact the EU has the same power as us as a member of the WTO.

Your ramblings about EU leverage at the WTO are wrong and you still refuse to say why the EU would be belligerent towards the UK.......there is no benefit to the Eu nor the UK in a disagreement.....so perhaps you could tone down the rhetoric, tone down the doom and gloom and tone down the arrogance. There is not a black and white solution, it will be complex, but whatever the outcome it will not be aided by your one sided 'The EU is God' approach......