Current Affairs EU In or Out
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roydo
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Not quite what I meant.
I meant that if the best deal we can end up with, isnt, actually that great, then shouldnt that get the same treatment as a blunt "In or Out"?
Just a bit bored after cooking a lasagne, and actually quite like the thought of being off the EU grid, (mirrors my life now, as you know), but think its a valid observations nevertheless.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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You never asked what the poll sample was, nor which company it was.
You posted some sarcastic nonsense (which appears to be your style) in which you asked me to prove that every 18-24 had been asked in the poll. Which obviously they hadn't as that's not how polls work....you then went on to pour scorn on the methodology of a poll that you had no knowledge of.
For your information is was the Ashcroft poll carried out the day after the referendum, I'd post the link, but you can find it yourself as I don't like your tone or your misplaced patronising attitude
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Yet when Scotland voted to remain in the UK, in a referendum, the SNP didn't regard it as 'advisory'......
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Since when did the SNP be the major UK political party?
roydo
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I should bleeding well think so......
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Blame it on me running between here and the cooker. My turn for supper, sake.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I don't think you even see what you are typing. You will use any excuse, obfuscation or downright anti democratic position to ensure that you get what you want. If you cannot see the damage that you and your ilk are doing to the democratic process in this country because you and Clegg and Milliband know better, then I feel sorry.....not for you, but for the ordinary voter in the country......so don't ever go on again about the poor and disadvantaged because you have shown that you are more than willing to just override their views, opinions and beliefs, because you know better......
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
We are having a late supper as well, so no prob's......
Hey big pets you've' got there DONlol
brieverton
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Needing a distraction from today's result so I'll add my tuppence worth here, briefly, not on the legitimacy of the result or anything, but the bigger issue.
There will undoubtedly be short to medium-term problems with Brexit. And, as with any economic and social shakedown, the poorest and the most vulnerable will bear the brunt of any further austerity. That concerns me greatly.
However, on a wider level, I think the whole EU project, and most particularly the Euro, has failed and is not reformable. Federalism and globalisation have gone too far. I support that which returns sovereignty and accountability back to nation-states, and within states, to regional and local levels insofar as possible. Yes there will be hardships and difficulties but The EU has not exactly succeeded in eliminating poverty within its boundaries as it is. Countries like Luxembourg facilitate, perfectly legally, tax avoidance on an industrial scale. Morally it is tax evasion. The fake debates about corporate tax has been just a sideshow.
The hegemony of Germany has been another concern, as has the shaming and humiliation of Greece. I have never really seen how The EU can truly succeed given the vast cultural, economic, social, and not to mention, linguistic differences between its peoples. I don't think you can have true democratic accountability in a structure that publishes diktats in 15-20 languages, or more. This is without mentioning the whole monolith of undemocratic, unelected, and unaccountable structures.
Migration and the unfettered movement of people across borders is a legitimate concern for millions of people. I would agree with those concerns. Broadly I support a system where skilled people, of whatever nationality and race, are allowed to come to live and work to fill critical skills gaps with a corresponding generous intake of refugees and political asylum seekers each year. The debate has been made unnecessarily complex and hijacked by those on the Brexit side, for this particular point.
Overall, I believe there is opportunity in difficulty and that Britain will emerge stronger in the longer-term.
There will undoubtedly be short to medium-term problems with Brexit. And, as with any economic and social shakedown, the poorest and the most vulnerable will bear the brunt of any further austerity. That concerns me greatly.
However, on a wider level, I think the whole EU project, and most particularly the Euro, has failed and is not reformable. Federalism and globalisation have gone too far. I support that which returns sovereignty and accountability back to nation-states, and within states, to regional and local levels insofar as possible. Yes there will be hardships and difficulties but The EU has not exactly succeeded in eliminating poverty within its boundaries as it is. Countries like Luxembourg facilitate, perfectly legally, tax avoidance on an industrial scale. Morally it is tax evasion. The fake debates about corporate tax has been just a sideshow.
The hegemony of Germany has been another concern, as has the shaming and humiliation of Greece. I have never really seen how The EU can truly succeed given the vast cultural, economic, social, and not to mention, linguistic differences between its peoples. I don't think you can have true democratic accountability in a structure that publishes diktats in 15-20 languages, or more. This is without mentioning the whole monolith of undemocratic, unelected, and unaccountable structures.
Migration and the unfettered movement of people across borders is a legitimate concern for millions of people. I would agree with those concerns. Broadly I support a system where skilled people, of whatever nationality and race, are allowed to come to live and work to fill critical skills gaps with a corresponding generous intake of refugees and political asylum seekers each year. The debate has been made unnecessarily complex and hijacked by those on the Brexit side, for this particular point.
Overall, I believe there is opportunity in difficulty and that Britain will emerge stronger in the longer-term.
Old Blue 2
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Don't get all butthurt because I asked you to qualify a poll that you put up.
And if you know about statistics and poll samples, you will know that there is a point where a poll sample is not statistically valid. The polls prior to 23rd June were predicting a win for 'Remain'. That is a singular example of how wary one should be of polls and their sample size.
If you cannot understand or accept the above, then there's nothing more I can do. You carry on attacking me because I dare to question your point(s) on here...
Admit it like every blue you will be crying in that Lasagne, my tea choked me a bit it comes to something when the EU thread is more approachable than a Everton footie threadlol
I think at the moment its mind games with the EU and hope common sense will prevail so when we leave it will hopefully not be as bad as the doom mongers everywhere are predicting
Ashcroft of the guy who stated the labour party would team up with the SNP and run the UK bloke that was the major factor why the Tories got their majority you mean trusting him???????????
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