Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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As much as people may cry 'foul' and 'undemocratic' it should be remembered that the referendum was consultative and pre-legislative which allows the people to voice an opinion. It is and never could be binding.

Thus equating this with not holding elections or making changes to the House of Lords is extremely wide of the mark. I accept it would be deemed as controversial but exceptional times call for leadership. I make no apology for this view.
 
The Esk said:
As much as people may cry 'foul' and 'undemocratic' it should be remembered that the referendum was consultative and pre-legislative which allows the people to voice an opinion. It is and never could be binding.

Thus equating this with not holding elections or making changes to the House of Lords is extremely wide of the mark. I accept it would be deemed as controversial but exceptional times call for leadership. I make no apology for this view.
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If you had won you would not be posting that!
 
I read a news item today that said Wallonia, in Belgium, is still looking to veto the ongiong 7 year trade negotiations beyween the EU and Canada.

If that is correct, then is this the kind of organisation we really need to be part of...?

To some people, NOTE: 'IF THIS IS CORRECT' in the above paragraph.
 
It's interesting that many Brexit voters are saying we should respect the will of the people because a small majority voted to leave.

What about the fact that the majority of the population didn't vote to leave, only the majority of those who were allowed and chose to vote ? Many young voters who are forward thinking and wanted to remain were unable to be involved due to an arbitrary age limit. Should a small majority of a portion of the population be allowed to dictate their future ?

Personally I think those over a certain age shouldn't be allowed to vote, if we're going to prevent intelligent and involved teenagers from voting. Why should a 75 year old who likely doesn't have many years left to live be given the vote ?

That's one of the many reasons why a referendum is not and should never be legally binding or a final decision.
 
Brennan said:
It's interesting that many Brexit voters are saying we should respect the will of the people because a small majority voted to leave.

What about the fact that the majority of the population didn't vote to leave, only the majority of those who were allowed and chose to vote ? Many young voters who are forward thinking and wanted to remain were unable to be involved due to an arbitrary age limit. Should a small majority of a portion of the population be allowed to dictate their future ?

Personally I think those over a certain age shouldn't be allowed to vote, if we're going to prevent intelligent and involved teenagers from voting. Why should a 75 year old who likely doesn't have many years left to live be given the vote ?

That's one of the many reasons why a referendum is not and should never be legally binding or a final decision.
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That'll go down well mate.
 
peteblue said:
I know exactly what you did and now so does everyone else. You added the words about austerity. Now show me anywhere or any document where the UK demanded austerity from Ireland. You have put you own interpretation upon the UK's rather generous loan to a close trading and friendly nation.......I will always have a go against the UK government when they deserve it, but in this case they acted in a way that I am sure was welcomed by Ireland and it should be recognised as so.....
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You really do need to read what you post.

To quote you, "You have deliberately adjusted the wording of that article and put across an untrue view". As I pointed out I did not 'adjust' the wording that you accused me of. I await for your apology.

I will point out again. The UK government assisted in bailing the Irish banks out with, "The rate of interest and other terms on a UK bilateral loan would be similar to the conditions of the international package, Osborne said".

Those 'other terms' that international lenders were demanding was austerity. The UK government lent money to the Irish government and would be 'similar to the conditions of the international package i.e they demand austerity. The loan was welcomed by the Irish government but the austerity measures demand by international creditors including the UK government, were not welcomed by many Irish people.
 
Brennan said:
It's interesting that many Brexit voters are saying we should respect the will of the people because a small majority voted to leave.

What about the fact that the majority of the population didn't vote to leave, only the majority of those who were allowed and chose to vote ? Many young voters who are forward thinking and wanted to remain were unable to be involved due to an arbitrary age limit. Should a small majority of a portion of the population be allowed to dictate their future ?

Personally I think those over a certain age shouldn't be allowed to vote, if we're going to prevent intelligent and involved teenagers from voting. Why should a 75 year old who likely doesn't have many years left to live be given the vote ?

That's one of the many reasons why a referendum is not and should never be legally binding or a final decision.
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Probably best just to put them down really.....
 
hullefc said:
You really do need to read what you post.

To quote you, "You have deliberately adjusted the wording of that article and put across an untrue view". As I pointed out I did not 'adjust' the wording that you accused me of. I await for your apology.

I will point out again. The UK government assisted in bailing the Irish banks out with, "The rate of interest and other terms on a UK bilateral loan would be similar to the conditions of the international package, Osborne said".

Those 'other terms' that international lenders were demanding was austerity. The UK government lent money to the Irish government and would be 'similar to the conditions of the international package i.e they demand austerity. The loan was welcomed by the Irish government but the austerity measures demand by international creditors including the UK government, were not welcomed by the Irish people.
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A simple thank you would have sufficed......
 
Brennan said:
It's interesting that many Brexit voters are saying we should respect the will of the people because a small majority voted to leave.

What about the fact that the majority of the population didn't vote to leave, only the majority of those who were allowed and chose to vote ? Many young voters who are forward thinking and wanted to remain were unable to be involved due to an arbitrary age limit. Should a small majority of a portion of the population be allowed to dictate their future ?

Personally I think those over a certain age shouldn't be allowed to vote, if we're going to prevent intelligent and involved teenagers from voting. Why should a 75 year old who likely doesn't have many years left to live be given the vote ?

That's one of the many reasons why a referendum is not and should never be legally binding or a final decision.
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So you equate forward thinking with youth and remaining in a 40 odd year old organisation. What about the youth that might have wanted to leave, run their own country and put more emphasis on trading with the rest of the world instead of being at the mercy of Wallonia, is that not forward thinking.......
 
peteblue said:
So you equate forward thinking with youth and remaining in a 40 odd year old organisation. What about the youth that might have wanted to leave, run their own country and put more emphasis on trading with the rest of the world instead of being at the mercy of Wallonia, is that not forward thinking.......
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73% of 18-24 yr olds voted Remain

81% of those still in full time education did as well.

They see things like free movement as a massive benefit, your generation tends to only see it as immigrants arriving here, they view it as an opportunity to be free to live and work anywhere in Europe without having to apply for work permits, visas etc.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
73% of 18-24 yr olds voted Remain

81% of those still in full time education did as well.

They see things like free movement as a massive benefit, your generation tends to only see it as immigrants arriving here, they view it as an opportunity to be free to live and work anywhere in Europe without having to apply for work permits, visas etc.
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Great the result today we got beat 2-1 can we replay it as the stats say we had more possession same result OUT beat Remain how ever you dress it up!
 
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