Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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It’s happening. Had to take a long cab ride in Southend, deepest Brexit Essex, this morning.

Amongst many other rabid tirades, on all manner of topical subjects, I was treated to full-on Mr Angry Cabbie spitting feathers, on the Brexit con.

We’ve been properly had over mate. I was all for Brexit. It ain’t even stopped the immigration has it. All my mates reckon we’ve been conned.

I had a bloke in the cab the other day, took him to City airport. He runs a big engineering firm in town and they are moving most of their operation to Ireland, as most of their business is with Europe.

I do loads of work for them. Gonna cost me a packet that is. That bloke with the glasses and posh accent is the worst, he just lies about Brexit all the time. Do you think we’d get back in ? We should have another referendum shouldn’t we.

And so it starts, when reality kicks in.
Nope, Mr Cabbie. You won't get back in. We'll need a little time for many of you to die off first so that when you next apply, a huge majority of you will want to be in, stay in, and participate as equals. The days of rebates, special opt-outs, and Sterling will be over. You, like many of the rest of us in the EU, had plenty of carve outs, but new members don't. You will be a new member, so goodbye to previous privileges.

The great thing about those little caveats from a European perspective is it will frighten off the UK for generations. It's only when a massively pro-European majority consolidates in the UK that these barriers will not be problematic. The EU will never again risk admitting a member that caused it to waste so much time and energy as the UK has since 2016.
 
Nope, Mr Cabbie. You won't get back in. We'll need a little time for many of you to die off first so that when you next apply, a huge majority of you will want to be in, stay in, and participate as equals. The days of rebates, special opt-outs, and Sterling will be over. You, like many of the rest of us in the EU, had plenty of carve outs, but new members don't. You will be a new member, so goodbye to previous privileges.

The great thing about those little caveats from a European perspective is it will frighten off the UK for generations. It's only when a massively pro-European majority consolidates in the UK that these barriers will not be problematic. The EU will never again risk admitting a member that caused it to waste so much time and energy as the UK has since 2016.
When are you going to free up that 350 million extra per week for the NHS though? I think it's needed pretty soon
 
It really is amazing how little people understand about where their individual freedoms, rights and benefits come from and some will be doing backflips trying to rationalise why suddenly some of those things are completely stripped away.
 
It really is amazing how little people understand about where their individual freedoms, rights and benefits come from and some will be doing backflips trying to rationalise why suddenly some of those things are completely stripped away.
At least families will be able to send there children to work soon to help with the crippling debts that the government is allowing big business to shackle everyone with.

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At least families will be able to send there children to work soon to help with the crippling debts that the government is allowing big business to shackle everyone with.

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As it should be.

Where Brexit is concerned, we should never focus on the present. We must always look to the past for inspiration and the future for our benefits. No time should be focused on the present, because, reality unlike nostalgia or hope, is unreliable.
 
@nsno-chris knows a fair bit about this. Not sure how accurate this is
Cheers Jim, just got round to listening to this. He’s wrong (but also correct) with what he said, because he hasn’t separated EU from non-EU. Couple of takes:

Computer systems - EU uses TRACES to monitor all SPS imports, we lost access to this but developed our own system called IPAFFS. It’s a project that I was involved with (process mapping the flow, beta testing etc)- and it’s actually a lot simpler to use than TRACES. There’s some elements which are missing, but nothing crucial. However, we have lost access to something called Rapid Alert system, and we have FSA (I think, maybe DEFRA) who monitor these notifications and inform ports (rather than the system doing it automatically)

Rotterdam statement - totally incorrect, every Border Control Post performs checks on food. Once it’s received clearance it can then move freely without any checks.

The U.K. still performs checks on food from outside the EU; but only stuff which has been directly imported. I think this is we’re the caller has got the statement wrong but the premise correct.

If something goes from India, into Hamburg on one vessel, then is put on another vessel to the U.K., this is the where the potential evasion is - simply because the shipping manifest states that the vessel has come from an EU port and therefore we are unable to identify the true nature of the “origin” of the consignment. The government, and I argued with them over this exact point, told us during a meeting that the “importer” would be honest and declare the goods to the Border Control Post. We knew they wouldn’t because there’d be extra charges levied against them or they could use this loophole as a seat of flooding our markets with crap.

We also simply can’t stop these “EU” containers because we’d disrupt the entire supply chain. Not all containers are manifested correctly, so “Meat” could be manifested as “personal goods”, it depends on what the shipping line enters. The importer would also need to make a submission via IPAFFS; but they know it won’t be identified.

There’s a very very simple way for us to identify these containers and start closing this loophole, but the information is held by Border Force and, this is unbelievable, they won’t share the information. We’ve been trying for 5 years, it’s gone to minster level and they’re still saying no.

So, in conclusion, yes we’re still doing checks but there’s a MASSIVE loophole which is getting exploited as correctly mentioned by the caller.

HAPPY NEW YEAR
 
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