Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Ruairi77 said:
But there never was a United States of europe and there never will be.
five years ago you bet 100 pounds that by 2023 all EU members would use the Euro, all would be a part of Schengen, a single EU army would be the primary military force and there would be a single tax policy across the union.
None of that has happened.
project fear eh.
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More nonsense from the lìttle Englanders? Who'd a thought it?
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
The title should read time to put Remoaners in charge because Brexit was for the stupid.

www.newstatesman.com

It's time for Remainers to try and make Brexit work

As we enter 2023, the mass of the British people are exhausted by the battles of the past six years and yearn to move on.
www.newstatesman.com www.newstatesman.com
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This kind of thing is bizarre. Brexit, by definition, can never work in economic terms. If your criteria for success is to give the UK a greater theoretical sovereignty than it had before, then, yes, it can work. The problem is, the UK will get poorer as it enjoys this theoretical sovereignty boon because in practical terms its sovereignty is the currency of exchange for greater overall wealth and prosperity.

The rest of us in the EU pool our sovereignty and find we get wealthier because of it. Small countries may even find they have more practical sovereignty by pooling it in some cases (e.g., Ireland is now far more powerful than it was in its relations with the UK. Outside of the EU, it would be a helpless satrapy as it once was).

Brexit can never work, in practical terms. Its failure must be owned by the Brexiters.
 
A long time ex-colleague now friend voted Brexit. We used to have a joke and banter about it. Now I just feel awkward even mentioning it, as the chickens have come home to roost and it’s clearly such a disaster.

I can only imagine Brexit voters with any sense must know deep down how much prosperity they have taken away from their fellow Brits. A quite extraordinary act of self flagellation.
 
Drico said:
This kind of thing is bizarre. Brexit, by definition, can never work in economic terms. If your criteria for success is to give the UK a greater theoretical sovereignty than it had before, then, yes, it can work. The problem is, the UK will get poorer as it enjoys this theoretical sovereignty boon because in practical terms its sovereignty is the currency of exchange for greater overall wealth and prosperity.

The rest of us in the EU pool our sovereignty and find we get wealthier because of it. Small countries may even find they have more practical sovereignty by pooling it in some cases (e.g., Ireland is now far more powerful than it was in its relations with the UK. Outside of the EU, it would be a helpless satrapy as it once was).

Brexit can never work, in practical terms. Its failure must be owned by the Brexiters.
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On a simpler note, it kind of implies folk haven't been trying to get to grips with life. Which is kind of silly.
 
Brennan said:
A long time ex-colleague now friend voted Brexit. We used to have a joke and banter about it. Now I just feel awkward even mentioning it, as the chickens have come home to roost and it’s clearly such a disaster.

I can only imagine Brexit voters with any sense must know deep down how much prosperity they have taken away from their fellow Brits. A quite extraordinary act of self flagellation.
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Yeah.. but blue passports… or something
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
On a simpler note, it kind of implies folk haven't been trying to get to grips with life. Which is kind of silly.
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It's just a transparent attempt to pass the buck, as if somebody's opposition to the ludicrousness of Brexit is in some way the reason why it hasn't "worked".

I mean, the Tories have been in power for the last seven years. If it hasn't "worked", that's because it could never work, by definition. It was always going to be economically inferior to membership, and the red lines of the British meant they were never going to mitigate it with better trading arrangements because that would mean having to compromise. The purists would never tolerate that, so insisted on becoming poorer. Or at least visiting poverty on ordinary people. They themselves were free to exploit the plebs without the protection of EU laws to safeguard people.

Fundamentally, it comes down to the fact that the exceptionalism that some Brexiters were so convinced of has been frustrated and run up against a brick wall. Britain no longer holds the whip hand - it hasn't for 100 years - but slow learners learn slowly.
 
peteblue said:
Well rather than go through yet another backwards and forwards debate on minutiae such a bendy bananas, weights and measures or other trivia, which I’m sure you would rather discuss, it’s about supremacy of Law. We have retained EU law which sits on the statute book and is under review. There is comment suggesting about 2,400 laws will be removed or amended to fit better for the U.K. with retained EU law coming to an end at the end of 2023. This is all about who sets our laws and Law supremacy…….

www.gov.uk

The Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill 2022

The Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill was introduced to Parliament on 22nd September 2022
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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No, wasn't wanting to talk about bananas. Brussels never made the UK enforce any laws about bendy bananas

So after 6 years, there are no laws from Brussels that the UK has chucked out for the betterment of the nation, but they will look at which optional EU laws to keep and which optional EU laws to not keep.

It's almost as if Brussels didn't decide UK law in the first place.
 
Been musing how far the UK is so close or further along to the deranged level of gullibility we see on a large scale in the US (Trump). People just seem to read something from the rags and then instantly believe it.
Clearly it's a tactic the government still believes is prudent. The strikes being the other big thing at the moment with a similar trend.
www.telegraph.co.uk

Keir Starmer is ready to betray die-hard Remainers who ushered him in

Labour's position on Brexit is politically clever, but it is also pure snake oil
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
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