Current Affairs EU In or Out

[sbbefc]

not just yet. In a few years when things become more apparent we might start seeing calls for a public inquiry.

That's the thing, first we need to get to the next election (most likely May 24). Labour need to get in (so there will unlikely be any major EU relationship reforms in the manifesto).

That takes us to 2029. At that point they can start looking at a potential Norway type relationship? But if Brexit continues to wreck the economy, my guess is that governments /PMs will be ruined by it rather than reform occurring to the root cause of the problem (actually leaving).

Just my musings, but it just feels like it's such a huge beast to untangle from anytime soon.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

That's the thing, first we need to get to the next election (most likely May 24). Labour need to get in (so there will unlikely be any major EU relationship reforms in the manifesto).

That takes us to 2029. At that point they can start looking at a potential Norway type relationship? But if Brexit continues to wreck the economy, my guess is that governments /PMs will be ruined by it rather than reform occurring to the root cause of the problem (actually leaving).

Just my musings, but it just feels like it's such a huge beast to untangle from anytime soon.

Probably start seeing a reshaping of the narrative with people saying ‘it wasn’t implemented in the way it was supposed to be but was still the right thing to do’

Brexit is the main reason we’ve had political chaos for the last 6 years with a colossal waste of resources and time as each different administration tries to propose and implement new policies. Hard to see that trend not continuing for the foreseeable.

 

[Walken]

Yeah, but the gammoners and shady investors got their way. All good.

Ffs.

As joey would say, you lost get over it, enjoy the future I've destroyed for you because I don't know where jersey is

 

[JammyP]

Labour can't go anywhere near it unfortunately. Political suicide.

I wonder about this. At the very least we should be looking now at getting back in to the EEA and the single market - the "Norway model". I do hope Labour are looking at how to make this work at the polls. It would still be effing Brexit, but without wholly disregarding the 48% who voted to remain, and without the tories' intended destruction of workplace, food, products and environmental standards

 

[Aberblue]

Probably start seeing a reshaping of the narrative with people saying ‘it wasn’t implemented in the way it was supposed to be but was still the right thing to do’

Brexit is the main reason we’ve had political chaos for the last 6 years with a colossal waste of resources and time as each different administration tries to propose and implement new policies. Hard to see that trend not continuing for the foreseeable.

This is exactly right. The anti-EU loonies are trying to make out that it's a "Remainers' Brexit" which is as sensible as saying it's a square circle.

 

[slipstream86]

I'd be interested in the GOT CA take on this:

When I cast my vote in the 2016 referendum, I exercised my democratic right to vote for what I believed to be the option that would benefit me the most. Without having an economics degree, any idea that in this dynamic world we live in I could somehow predict with any degree of certainty what the net best outcome for the country as a whole could be in the long term future seemed unlikely. So my voting rationale was simple...what matters to me personally.

My main concern was employment opportunities. My industry is very over subscribed, and thus highly competitive. I've been out of work before and it was a dreadful experience for me. I voted almost excluisively for what I believed would secure the most employment opportunities for myself in the short and long term future.

Does this make me all of, or any of the following?: Selfish, dumb, racist, bigoted, facist or gammon?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'd be interested in the GOT CA take on this:

When I cast my vote in the 2016 referendum, I exercised my democratic right to vote for what I believed to be the option that would benefit me the most. Without having an economics degree, any idea that in this dynamic world we live in I could somehow predict with any degree of certainty what the net best outcome for the country as a whole could be in the long term future seemed unlikely. So my voting rationale was simple...what matters to me personally.

My main concern was employment opportunities. My industry is very over subscribed, and thus highly competitive. I've been out of work before and it was a dreadful experience for me. I voted almost excluisively for what I believed would secure the most employment opportunities for myself in the short and long term future.

Does this make me all of, or any of the following?: Selfish, dumb, racist, bigoted, facist or gammon?

It makes you mistaken

The Effect of Low-Skill Immigration Restrictions on US Firms and Workers: Evidence from a Randomized Lottery

Founded in 1920, the NBER is a private, non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to conducting economic research and to disseminating research findings among academics, public policy makers, and business professionals.

www.nber.org

 

[WA Toffee]

I'd be interested in the GOT CA take on this:

When I cast my vote in the 2016 referendum, I exercised my democratic right to vote for what I believed to be the option that would benefit me the most. Without having an economics degree, any idea that in this dynamic world we live in I could somehow predict with any degree of certainty what the net best outcome for the country as a whole could be in the long term future seemed unlikely. So my voting rationale was simple...what matters to me personally.

My main concern was employment opportunities. My industry is very over subscribed, and thus highly competitive. I've been out of work before and it was a dreadful experience for me. I voted almost excluisively for what I believed would secure the most employment opportunities for myself in the short and long term future.

Does this make me all of, or any of the following?: Selfish, dumb, racist, bigoted, facist or gammon?

The first 2, yes. The other 4, you haven't provided enough evidence either way to say

 

[Prevenger17]

Does this make me all of, or any of the following?: Selfish, dumb, racist, bigoted, facist or gammon?

I'm afraid so, yes

 

[Walken]

I'd be interested in the GOT CA take on this:

When I cast my vote in the 2016 referendum, I exercised my democratic right to vote for what I believed to be the option that would benefit me the most. Without having an economics degree, any idea that in this dynamic world we live in I could somehow predict with any degree of certainty what the net best outcome for the country as a whole could be in the long term future seemed unlikely. So my voting rationale was simple...what matters to me personally.

My main concern was employment opportunities. My industry is very over subscribed, and thus highly competitive. I've been out of work before and it was a dreadful experience for me. I voted almost excluisively for what I believed would secure the most employment opportunities for myself in the short and long term future.

Does this make me all of, or any of the following?: Selfish, dumb, racist, bigoted, facist or gammon?

Ignorant yes, in terms of selfishness I guess that would depend on the desperation of your own circumstances. I'd actually be more interested if to know if the experience has changed your outlook and if you feel you have learned from it.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I'd be interested in the GOT CA take on this:

When I cast my vote in the 2016 referendum, I exercised my democratic right to vote for what I believed to be the option that would benefit me the most. Without having an economics degree, any idea that in this dynamic world we live in I could somehow predict with any degree of certainty what the net best outcome for the country as a whole could be in the long term future seemed unlikely. So my voting rationale was simple...what matters to me personally.

My main concern was employment opportunities. My industry is very over subscribed, and thus highly competitive. I've been out of work before and it was a dreadful experience for me. I voted almost excluisively for what I believed would secure the most employment opportunities for myself in the short and long term future.

Does this make me all of, or any of the following?: Selfish, dumb, racist, bigoted, facist or gammon?

Definitely selfish - you've pretty much said that. Can't comment on the rest.

I'd have to assume your industry featured a large number of EU workers, hence the sector being oversubscribed?

Not sure that the cutting down migration has not gone too well anyway.

Quietly, our Brexit government is learning to love immigration – just not migrants

More people are coming to the UK than before the EU referendum, and ministers are filling jobs with foreign workers.

www.newstatesman.com

 

[slipstream86]

It makes you mistaken

The Effect of Low-Skill Immigration Restrictions on US Firms and Workers: Evidence from a Randomized Lottery

Founded in 1920, the NBER is a private, non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to conducting economic research and to disseminating research findings among academics, public policy makers, and business professionals.

www.nber.org

The first 2, yes. The other 4, you haven't provided enough evidence either way to say

I'm afraid so, yes

Ignorant yes, in terms of selfishness I guess that would depend on the desperation of your own circumstances. I'd actually be more interested if to know if the experience has changed your outlook and if you feel you have learned from it.

Definitely selfish - you've pretty much said that. Can't comment on the rest.

I'd have to assume your industry featured a large number of EU workers, hence the sector being oversubscribed?

Not sure that the cutting down migration has not gone too well anyway.

Quietly, our Brexit government is learning to love immigration – just not migrants

More people are coming to the UK than before the EU referendum, and ministers are filling jobs with foreign workers.

www.newstatesman.com

Ok guys thanks for the inputs.

If I was now to tell you that I IN FACT VOTED TO REMAIN in the 2016 referendum, how would you feel about the comments you just made?

If I was to tell you that I work in the aviation industry, and having worked for companies all over Europe before, following wherever the latest contract opportunities were, then on Jan 31st 2020 when the UK left the EU and thus by default also left EASA, overnight my qualifications became absolutely f'ing useless to work for any non UK based operator, and will remain so unless I commit to an enormous expense of time and money to repeat my training under EASA (about 18 months and £150k)....Of course, I saw this comming, I knew the prospect of leaving the EU had the potential to be an enormous problem for my professional life. Remain was the only sane choice I could have made, and that's what I did. I wish the result went that way, but here we are where we are.

Are my reasons for wanting to remain in the EU any more valid than those who had 'selfish, dumb, racist, bigoted, facist or gammon' reasons to leave the EU?

Is the bigotry that all leave voters are accused of any worse than the bigotry diplayed just now when some cast me as being a racist, facist gammon when they incorrectly assumed I voted leave?

I guess the point of this post is to highlight that things just aren't as black and white as many people so very desperately want them to be. I know theres an army of guys sat at their keyboards on every social network going, frothing at the mouth waiting for the next opportunity to dive in all guns blazing on what they consider to be a person who holds political opinions that differ from their own.... To bully them into internet submission, establishing once and for all, for the good of humanity, that us ourselves (the virtuous freedom fighters) are right and our opponents (the evil facists) are wrong!....But it never comes. Every point they make we come back with a pre-planned counter, every link we post to support our argument they ignore it...the very essence of a confirmation bias on both sides.

Just consider taking a steb back from the front line of political partisanship guys and take your fellow humans as individuals. The world becomes a much more tranquil place to exist!

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Ok guys thanks for the inputs.

If I was now to tell you that I IN FACT VOTED TO REMAIN in the 2016 referendum, how would you feel about the comments you just made?

If I was to tell you that I work in the aviation industry, and having worked for companies all over Europe before, following wherever the latest contract opportunities were, then on Jan 31st 2020 when the UK left the EU and thus by default also left EASA, overnight my qualifications became absolutely f'ing useless to work for any non UK based operator, and will remain so unless I commit to an enormous expense of time and money to repeat my training under EASA (about 18 months and £150k)....Of course, I saw this comming, I knew the prospect of leaving the EU had the potential to be an enormous problem for my professional life. Remain was the only sane choice I could have made, and that's what I did. I wish the result went that way, but here we are where we are.

Are my reasons for wanting to remain in the EU any more valid than those who had 'selfish, dumb, racist, bigoted, facist or gammon' reasons to leave the EU?

Is the bigotry that all leave voters are accused of any worse than the bigotry diplayed just now when some cast me as being a racist, facist gammon when they incorrectly assumed I voted leave?

I guess the point of this post is to highlight that things just aren't as black and white as many people so very desperately want them to be. I know theres an army of guys sat at their keyboards on every social network going, frothing at the mouth waiting for the next opportunity to dive in all guns blazing on what they consider to be a person who holds political opinions that differ from their own.... To bully them into internet submission, establishing once and for all, for the good of humanity, that us ourselves (the virtuous freedom fighters) are right and our opponents (the evil facists) are wrong!....But it never comes. Every point they make we come back with a pre-planned counter, every link we post to support our argument they ignore it...the very essence of a confirmation bias on both sides.

Just consider taking a steb back from the front line of political partisanship guys and take your fellow humans as individuals. The world becomes a much more tranquil place to exist!

Exactly the same - selfish. You assumed it equates to something bad or shameful. All political choices have an element of self interest.

My reasons for voting remain were complex and multi-layered, including self-interest (my wife is an EU citizen and I work in an industry which hugely benefits from freedom of movement and access to Horizon Europe funding).

However, most leave voters I converse with don't actually have much understanding of what the EU did / does and how it influenced our society, good nor bad. Lots of shreiky stuff about migration (I promise you, many never spoke with an EU citizen routinely or worked with them) or sovereignty.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Ok guys thanks for the inputs.

If I was now to tell you that I IN FACT VOTED TO REMAIN in the 2016 referendum, how would you feel about the comments you just made?

If I was to tell you that I work in the aviation industry, and having worked for companies all over Europe before, following wherever the latest contract opportunities were, then on Jan 31st 2020 when the UK left the EU and thus by default also left EASA, overnight my qualifications became absolutely f'ing useless to work for any non UK based operator, and will remain so unless I commit to an enormous expense of time and money to repeat my training under EASA (about 18 months and £150k)....Of course, I saw this comming, I knew the prospect of leaving the EU had the potential to be an enormous problem for my professional life. Remain was the only sane choice I could have made, and that's what I did. I wish the result went that way, but here we are where we are.

Are my reasons for wanting to remain in the EU any more valid than those who had 'selfish, dumb, racist, bigoted, facist or gammon' reasons to leave the EU?

Is the bigotry that all leave voters are accused of any worse than the bigotry diplayed just now when some cast me as being a racist, facist gammon when they incorrectly assumed I voted leave?

I guess the point of this post is to highlight that things just aren't as black and white as many people so very desperately want them to be. I know theres an army of guys sat at their keyboards on every social network going, frothing at the mouth waiting for the next opportunity to dive in all guns blazing on what they consider to be a person who holds political opinions that differ from their own.... To bully them into internet submission, establishing once and for all, for the good of humanity, that us ourselves (the virtuous freedom fighters) are right and our opponents (the evil facists) are wrong!....But it never comes. Every point they make we come back with a pre-planned counter, every link we post to support our argument they ignore it...the very essence of a confirmation bias on both sides.

Just consider taking a steb back from the front line of political partisanship guys and take your fellow humans as individuals. The world becomes a much more tranquil place to exist!

Ps, are you a Holliday multi? The multi-quoting and odd attempt at a 'trap' to make a point feel oddly familiar.

 

[Walken]

Ok guys thanks for the inputs.

If I was now to tell you that I IN FACT VOTED TO REMAIN in the 2016 referendum, how would you feel about the comments you just made?

If I was to tell you that I work in the aviation industry, and having worked for companies all over Europe before, following wherever the latest contract opportunities were, then on Jan 31st 2020 when the UK left the EU and thus by default also left EASA, overnight my qualifications became absolutely f'ing useless to work for any non UK based operator, and will remain so unless I commit to an enormous expense of time and money to repeat my training under EASA (about 18 months and £150k)....Of course, I saw this comming, I knew the prospect of leaving the EU had the potential to be an enormous problem for my professional life. Remain was the only sane choice I could have made, and that's what I did. I wish the result went that way, but here we are where we are.

Are my reasons for wanting to remain in the EU any more valid than those who had 'selfish, dumb, racist, bigoted, facist or gammon' reasons to leave the EU?

Is the bigotry that all leave voters are accused of any worse than the bigotry diplayed just now when some cast me as being a racist, facist gammon when they incorrectly assumed I voted leave?

I guess the point of this post is to highlight that things just aren't as black and white as many people so very desperately want them to be. I know theres an army of guys sat at their keyboards on every social network going, frothing at the mouth waiting for the next opportunity to dive in all guns blazing on what they consider to be a person who holds political opinions that differ from their own.... To bully them into internet submission, establishing once and for all, for the good of humanity, that us ourselves (the virtuous freedom fighters) are right and our opponents (the evil facists) are wrong!....But it never comes. Every point they make we come back with a pre-planned counter, every link we post to support our argument they ignore it...the very essence of a confirmation bias on both sides.

Just consider taking a steb back from the front line of political partisanship guys and take your fellow humans as individuals. The world becomes a much more tranquil place to exist!

This really isn't the gotcha moment you clearly think it is.

I in fact didn't support the nazi party !! Ha, who is the fool now!!!!