Current Affairs EU In or Out

[tsubaki]

EU-integration would be problematic at best, culturally & economically. They're not a full grown democratic state like France or Germany. There's absolutely no question they won't be allowed in in the near future. (it would also be a direct declaration of war to Russia)
They're not a democracy, there are huge corruption problems, not to mention the repression of gay people & the popularity of extreme right poltical movements and so on... The economy is a shambles & would undermine the internal EU market even more with (extremely) cheap labour.

What we think is irrelevant, Russia & Ukraine have a quarrel. Both are, contrary to the baltic states, not in the EU nor in NATO, so we don't meddle. No good can come of it, only tears. No other state (certainly not the US) should arm the other or motivate conflict. This is none of our or the EU's business.

See, this is what I was on about. Ukraine are an independent country; in very few other circumstances would the independent decision of that country, achieved democratically, to join a defensive military alliance or a political union be seen as "an act of war". Ukraine hasn't attacked Russia (the opposite is true), its never occupied Russia (the opposite is true) and they pose no threat to Russia (the opposite is true).

Putin is just trying to act in the traditional Russian way, to put as much distance between Moscow and "the West" as possible - but the problem he has is that the way he is doing it, to try and appear frightening is just spooking those countries they used to administer into seeking assistance. I mean after what happened in 2015 and the years since Ukraine is much more European than it was; its much more anti-Russian than it was. All this buildup of force is not making them pro-Russian, is it? Even if he did invade and did win, what do you think the border of the EU is going to look like? You won't be able to move for Yanks; he'll probably find the EU gets its s**t together in terms of an actual armed force as well.

As for the rest, you can say that about most of Eastern Europe (certainly Poland at the moment) and you can say a lot of it about the UK too.

 

[orchard]

I nipped down to the local garden centre and bought a garden implement made in Germany…..just thought I’d mention it for those too lazy to go to shops and keep the local economy going…..

BP ?

 

[spectateur]

Yes, only the delivery man was probably an illegal underage immigrant from Serbia.
It is where I live.

No clandestines around here. There's nowhere to hide in la France profond.
Big cities hide them more easily.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yes, only the delivery man was probably an illegal underage immigrant from Serbia.
It is where I live.

I don't know where we get the notion that Brexiteers are racist from.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No clandestines around here. There's nowhere to hide in la France profond.
Big cities hide them more easily.

Humans though, right? When we use language like "hiding them" it's conflating humans with vermin, like they're modern day Anne Frank's.

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

I don't know where we get the notion that Brexiteers are racist from.

I'm no brexiteer nor a racist, just pointing out the very real victims in this race to the bottom in the European transport sector.

The problem concerning illegal labour is severe. Last week for instance we found out GLS (part of Royal Mail...) used underage kids with falsified passports as subcontractors working for 3.5 euro an hour... And then I'm not even talking about their housing and quality of living...

The comfort of fast delivery comes at a large cost...

 

[edge]

I'm no brexiteer nor a racist, just pointing out the very real victims in this race to the bottom in the European transport sector.

The problem concerning illegal labour is severe. Last week for instance we found out GLS (part of Royal Mail...) used underage kids with falsified passports as subcontractors working for 3.5 euro an hour... And then I'm not even talking about their housing and quality of living...

The comfort of fast delivery comes at a large cost...

Terrible that .

 

[spectateur]

Humans though, right? When we use language like "hiding them" it's conflating humans with vermin, like they're modern day Anne Frank's.

Too touchy!
People without passports or ID have to keep a very low profile in France.. Especially if they're foreign and don't speak the language well.

 

[dublinbluenose]

More privatisation - what brexit was really about



An awful firm btw

 

[woodsyni]

More privatisation - what brexit was really about



An awful firm btw

Truly awful! We call them CRapita. By really cleverly putting an extra 'R' in, we insult them. We laughed and laughed! Thankfully they've just lost the IT contract they had for years and years. Shockingly bad.

They will suck everything dry, run the service down then scarper off to the next big payday from their corrupt pals in government. This has annoyed me more than it should have! ?

 

[peteblue]

I don't know where we get the notion that Brexiteers are racist from.

Nor me …..

 

[peteblue]

Or maybe I should have posted this in here….

Anyway, while all this is going on, Russia will be given the Donbas and Crimea as a sop to stop a conflict. Once again, Putin deploys forces and the west cave in…….

 

[Ruairi77]

Or maybe I should have posted this in here….

Yea, he also bankrolled the leave campaign and manipulated social media to ensure a leave vote and destabilize the west. He played on your nationalist heart ruling your head and he won.
Same happened here with Trump. America is a nation divided.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[Jebus_lives]

UK trade has shrunk since Brexit while EU thrives - data

BREXIT was originally intended to create endless opportunities for the UK. But, so far, the country has failed to make the vote profitable, with the prospect of "global Britain" quickly fading according to recent data.

www.express.co.uk

Erm... lads?