Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Death]

I don’t need lectures about what goes on in this country from an American

Rats I'm from West Virginia. So my opinion doesn't count either does it?

 

[roydo]

Think it attracts a certain type of person and circumstance, similar to those Brits who are happy to be holiday rep on the Costa or Balearic.

Maybe. I prefer not to pigeon hole, as tempting as it is. But outside the slogans, which we all know so well, that persuaded enough to vote leave, hardly anyone had a clue about the depth and complexity of our relationship with the EU.

Those chickens are starting to come home to roost. And if I had been fooled by them, I would be furious.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Maybe. I prefer not to pigeon hole, as tempting as it is. But outside the slogans, which we all know so well, that persuaded enough to vote leave, hardly anyone had a clue about the depth and complexity of our relationship with the EU.

Those chickens are starting to come home to roost. And if I had been fooled by them, I would be furious.

My problem with the whole debate was one of oversimplification. So many people told me "we need to leave completely and cut ties". But there was so little consideration of the potential problems of leaving. Its fine, any change brings challenges, but there's no mitigation plan. Any concerns or warnings were dismissed as project fear or remoaning.

And I say that from the perspective of seeing the EU as having inherent challenges and problems. For one, richer member states effectively hoovering up cheap labour from weaker economies caused problems for said countries. Romania, for example, has had a massive diaspora- brain drain, tax base loss, their own labour problems.

It's not a perfect system (what is). Whether you agree with the decision to leave or not, our political and practical planning since leaves a lot to be desired.

Oven ready deal, my arse.

 

[roydo]

My problem with the whole debate was one of oversimplification. So many people told me "we need to leave completely and cut ties". But there was so little consideration of the potential problems of leaving. Its fine, any change brings challenges, but there's no mitigation plan. Any concerns or warnings were dismissed as project fear or remoaning.

And I say that from the perspective of seeing the EU as having inherent challenges and problems. For one, richer member states effectively hoovering up cheap labour from weaker economies caused problems for said countries. Romania, for example, has had a massive diaspora- brain drain, tax base loss, their own labour problems.

It's not a perfect system (what is). Whether you agree with the decision to leave or not, our political and practical planning since leaves a lot to be desired.

Oven ready deal, my arse.

It was the dismissal of any of the key reasons being demolished by logic that did my head in.

But hey, they got their wish. Triffic so far eh?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Maybe. I prefer not to pigeon hole, as tempting as it is. But outside the slogans, which we all know so well, that persuaded enough to vote leave, hardly anyone had a clue about the depth and complexity of our relationship with the EU.

Those chickens are starting to come home to roost. And if I had been fooled by them, I would be furious.

Nothing wrong in wanting to work abroad some people have a taste for adventure, not a bad pigeon hole.

People had two elections in which to push the debate after voting to leave.

They pushed for soft Brexit then hard in the last election, people who voted Tory "to get Brexit done", have brought this upon us.

 

[roydo]

Nothing wrong in wanting to work abroad some people have a taste of adventure, not a bad pigeon hole.

People had two elections in which to push the debate after voting to leave.

They pushed for soft Brexit then hard in the last election, people who voted Tory "to get Brexit done", have brought this upon us.

Missed the "rep" part of your post. Soz. Yeah, fully agree. I admitted that I voted for the Tories last election, cos we had a referendum, and though I disagreed with it, getting rid of that constipated HOC at the time was the only way we could move on. For better or worse.

Then Covid said Hi of course.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Round of applause for all those people who voted to ‘stick it to the metropolitan elite’. Rochdale, Daventry and Penrith, by the way, all voted in favour of Brexit.

EVCL Chill: 400 jobs at risk as food firm goes bust

The firm says 650 jobs are saved but 400 others are under threat as a chilled food firm goes bust.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bruce Wayne]

My problem with the whole debate was one of oversimplification. So many people told me "we need to leave completely and cut ties". But there was so little consideration of the potential problems of leaving. Its fine, any change brings challenges, but there's no mitigation plan. Any concerns or warnings were dismissed as project fear or remoaning.

And I say that from the perspective of seeing the EU as having inherent challenges and problems. For one, richer member states effectively hoovering up cheap labour from weaker economies caused problems for said countries. Romania, for example, has had a massive diaspora- brain drain, tax base loss, their own labour problems.

It's not a perfect system (what is). Whether you agree with the decision to leave or not, our political and practical planning since leaves a lot to be desired.

Oven ready deal, my arse.

You know, I wish we'd get away from this narrative that all A8 migrants are good for is "undercutting natives". It's pretty thinly veiled prejudice against the "global south" that they have no virtues over and above supposedly being cheap.

Incidentally, the flow of remittances from Romania's diaspora is roughly double that of all other foreign direct investment combined, which is perhaps something to consider. It's also well documented that when diaspora operate in business, they often favour looking to their homeland for new markets, new offices, and to invest, precisely because it's an area they know well. Just saying as you weren't keen on "oversimplification".

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

You know, I wish we'd get away from this narrative that all A8 migrants are good for is "undercutting natives". It's pretty thinly veiled prejudice against the "global south" that they have no virtues over and above supposedly being cheap.

Incidentally, the flow of remittances from Romania's diaspora is roughly double that of all other foreign direct investment combined, which is perhaps something to consider. It's also well documented that when diaspora operate in business, they often favour looking to their homeland for new markets, new offices, and to invest, precisely because it's an area they know well. Just saying as you weren't keen on "oversimplification".

People are commodities and the most expensive cost.

 

[Kev The Rat]

My problem with the whole debate was one of oversimplification. So many people told me "we need to leave completely and cut ties". But there was so little consideration of the potential problems of leaving. Its fine, any change brings challenges, but there's no mitigation plan. Any concerns or warnings were dismissed as project fear or remoaning.

And I say that from the perspective of seeing the EU as having inherent challenges and problems. For one, richer member states effectively hoovering up cheap labour from weaker economies caused problems for said countries. Romania, for example, has had a massive diaspora- brain drain, tax base loss, their own labour problems.

It's not a perfect system (what is). Whether you agree with the decision to leave or not, our political and practical planning since leaves a lot to be desired.

Oven ready deal, my arse.

A very good post. We have had the nonsense of @Bruce Wayne who claims we weren’t relying on cheap labour from Eastern Europe which has caused a whole host of problems both here and there.
Replacing these people wasn’t thought about properly and now we are in a world of trouble.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

You know, I wish we'd get away from this narrative that all A8 migrants are good for is "undercutting natives". It's pretty thinly veiled prejudice against the "global south" that they have no virtues over and above supposedly being cheap.

Incidentally, the flow of remittances from Romania's diaspora is roughly double that of all other foreign direct investment combined, which is perhaps something to consider. It's also well documented that when diaspora operate in business, they often favour looking to their homeland for new markets, new offices, and to invest, precisely because it's an area they know well. Just saying as you weren't keen on "oversimplification".

That wasn't an attack on Romania or Romaniana by the way. That's come direct from folk who live there and have to navigate the problems.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

You know, I wish we'd get away from this narrative that all A8 migrants are good for is "undercutting natives". It's pretty thinly veiled prejudice against the "global south" that they have no virtues over and above supposedly being cheap.

Incidentally, the flow of remittances from Romania's diaspora is roughly double that of all other foreign direct investment combined, which is perhaps something to consider. It's also well documented that when diaspora operate in business, they often favour looking to their homeland for new markets, new offices, and to invest, precisely because it's an area they know well. Just saying as you weren't keen on "oversimplification".

And I wasn't solely putting forward an undercutting narrative - I.e. the brain drain comment.

Loads of their trained medical staff have headed to Austria, for example.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

A very good post. We have had the nonsense of @Bruce Wayne who claims we weren’t relying on cheap labour from Eastern Europe which has caused a whole host of problems both here and there.
Replacing these people wasn’t thought about properly and now we are in a world of trouble.

Bruce does make a fair point about the undercutting narrative.

It was just the labour force issue in general, not just 'cheap' labour.

 

[Blue 1]

Still managing to find the humour in that binbag full of custard squatting in No.10 saying Brexit isn't causing the supply chain problem we're currently experiencing, while at the same time saying the solution is visa waivers for EU drivers.

How thick can people be?

 

[Chewbacca]

Still managing to find the humour in that binbag full of custard squatting in No.10 saying Brexit isn't causing the supply chain problem we're currently experiencing, while at the same time saying the solution is visa waivers for EU drivers.

How thick can people be?

Very, or we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place.