Current Affairs EU In or Out

[wandyr79]

I’m not sure how considering all the government literature and the Remainers telling us how bad everything would be....

You think that people who voted all knew that there were going to be difficulties, some of the stuff that Brexiteers said before and after the vote would have me to believe that there were quite a few who thought that all they needed to do was say Leave and it was done, they would have their country back.

Were there many that voted on the basis of what would happen with the NI border, what would happen to the fishing and farming industries, trade deal possibilities. I very much doubt there were many people who actually considered all the difficulties and the fact that 5 years down the line and a lot of these massive decisions are yet to be sorted.

 

[peteblue]

You think that people who voted all knew that there were going to be difficulties, some of the stuff that Brexiteers said before and after the vote would have me to believe that there were quite a few who thought that all they needed to do was say Leave and it was done, they would have their country back.

Were there many that voted on the basis of what would happen with the NI border, what would happen to the fishing and farming industries, trade deal possibilities. I very much doubt there were many people who actually considered all the difficulties and the fact that 5 years down the line and a lot of these massive decisions are yet to be sorted.

But they will be sorted. Problems can be sorted once known about and with parties who wish to resolve issues. At the moment the EU are being bloody minded, but that will change or our relationship with them will change. Meanwhile our dependence upon the EU will continue to diminish as we bring further trade deals into play, and that is exactly what I voted for......

 

[roydo]

But they will be sorted. Problems can be sorted once known about and with parties who wish to resolve issues. At the moment the EU are being bloody minded, but that will change or our relationship with them will change. Meanwhile our dependence upon the EU will continue to diminish as we bring further trade deals into play, and that is exactly what I voted for......

Well the Aussie one appears to introduce lower food standards into the UK food supply. But we need the deals, so will bend over. Magic.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Well the Aussie one appears to introduce lower food standards into the UK food supply. But we need the deals, so will bend over. Magic.

I don't really get this Australian deal tbh, as it seems highly unlikely that much food will be passing hands between either country, and it does set a precedent on things like food standards (I'm not sure how big a factor that might be in subsequent deals). Services, which are a huge export for the UK aren't included, and I just wonder what value it provides?

 

[roydo]

I don't really get this Australian deal tbh, as it seems highly unlikely that much food will be passing hands between either country, and it does set a precedent on things like food standards (I'm not sure how big a factor that might be in subsequent deals). Services, which are a huge export for the UK aren't included, and I just wonder what value it provides?

Its fig leaf stuff I reckon. The NFU aint happy about it, and I struggle to believe that there is a pent up demand for Aussie meat anyrate. So, its USP will be cheaper, into the lower end catering markets, and with poorer animal welfare to boot.

The services stuff has long baffled me. As a pin prick example, for decades (now) elderly clients of IFAs in the EU have had relationships with their trusted UK IFAs.

Its now illegal for them to be advised.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Gonna hide out in here for a while. Much calmer

 

[peteblue]

Well the Aussie one appears to introduce lower food standards into the UK food supply. But we need the deals, so will bend over. Magic.

What lower standards.....

 

[peteblue]

I don't really get this Australian deal tbh, as it seems highly unlikely that much food will be passing hands between either country, and it does set a precedent on things like food standards (I'm not sure how big a factor that might be in subsequent deals). Services, which are a huge export for the UK aren't included, and I just wonder what value it provides?

But it also allows under 35’s to work in each others country for a couple of years, I thought you’d be all for that....

 

[ste d' indica]

But it also allows under 35’s to work in each others country for a couple of years, I thought you’d be all for that....

As opposed to anyone working in any of nearly 30 others, without impediment, for as long as they like, right on our door step. Yeah, fantastic.

 

[peteblue]

As opposed to anyone working in any of nearly 30 others, without impediment, for as long as they like, right on our door step. Yeah, fantastic.

And really there we have it. Remaining is just about the privileged few being allowed to travel around the EU, which incidentally you can still do....

 

[Wizard]

And really there we have it. Remaining is just about the privileged few being allowed to travel around the EU, which incidentally you can still do....

Travelling is different to working Pete.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

But it also allows under 35’s to work in each others country for a couple of years, I thought you’d be all for that....

I hadn't heard about that part Pete. Can you link me up to more details?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And really there we have it. Remaining is just about the privileged few being allowed to travel around the EU, which incidentally you can still do....

I forget quite where I read it, but there was a piece earlier this week reminding Brits in France to register for settled status in the same way that EU citizens here need to do so. Perhaps the pertinent thing for this discussion is that so long as people do so before the end of this month then their qualifications are valid. So an architect or accountant who has trained in France can practice in Britain because their qualifications are recognized. After this month, that won't be the case for anyone moving to France or vice versa.

That's not only a major impediment but a major waste of talent. For instance, I know a Brazilian guy who is trained as a doctor, but if he wanted to practice medicine here he would have to go through medical school from scratch, wasting not only a huge amount of time but spending huge sums of money. He eventually thought stuff that and has been working in sales for several years. He's doing very well, like, but from a societal perspective (and quite probably from his own sense of fulfillment), surely it would have been better had he been able to work as a doctor in the NHS?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

But it also allows under 35’s to work in each others country for a couple of years, I thought you’d be all for that....

Having looked at the announcement Pete, it seems British youngsters already had this right as part of Australia's working holiday scheme.

Australian Working Holiday Visa FAQ - Tourism Australia

Get answers to frequently asked questions around the Working Holiday Visa in Australia. Find out more about how to apply for Australia's working holiday visa, eligibility and limitations.

www.australia.com

All that has changed is whereas previously it was open for people aged between 18-30, now we have joined France, Canada, and Ireland in having it up to 35. Given your remark earlier about free movement in Europe being for the "privileged few", it's perhaps also worth noting that to get this visa you need to have $5,000 AUD, which I believe works out at around £2,700. Not really something for the working class, is it? Especially when flights to Australia themselves cost upwards of £1,500.

Compare that to fruit pickers from Europe who can get a £30 flight and start working straight away, it's not really the same, is it?

 

[ste d' indica]

And really there we have it. Remaining is just about the privileged few being allowed to travel around the EU, which incidentally you can still do....

That's not what I said though is it? We're talking about working. How many underprivileged people are gonna 'pop' to Australia to work, think it through. And your assumption that remain was a single issue vote is just as empty and incorrect as 'all brexit voters are racist'.