The vast majority of leave voters are unwilling to take any responsibility for the mess they've created. Pete is the exception as he's still here pretending everything is going well.
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NilSatisOptimum
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Its pretty clear the scenario and its being widely reported...
In eagerness to prove his "oven ready deal" and "getting things done" wasn't just " sound bites" for the easy minded, Boris signed up to anything the EU offered with the intention to try and change the deal when it caused problems.
The issue now as it was at the time is we have signed a legally binding document that cannot be changed and the EU primary goal is to protect the integrity of the single market so won't allow anything other than strict interpretation of the rules.
It will end up with the UK government being taken to court and certain of losing. Then who knows what will happen!
In eagerness to prove his "oven ready deal" and "getting things done" wasn't just " sound bites" for the easy minded, Boris signed up to anything the EU offered with the intention to try and change the deal when it caused problems.
The issue now as it was at the time is we have signed a legally binding document that cannot be changed and the EU primary goal is to protect the integrity of the single market so won't allow anything other than strict interpretation of the rules.
It will end up with the UK government being taken to court and certain of losing. Then who knows what will happen!
Still sort of amazing that the UK Govt's preferred messaging over this is "We were incompetent. We didn't realise at the time because we were too busy crowing about it and rushing it through parliament without proper scrutiny, but we totally failed at the negotiating table and the EU pulled out pants down over this deal so we're now choosing not to honour it".
Barnfred 55
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This Northern Ireland issue is not going to end well. The EU will impose sanctions that will be designed to hurt us the most politically, and we will go tit for tat, possibly with the fishing rights which will likely cause the most chaos for the EU. Court cases will ensue and relationships plummet.
I wouldn't be surprised if the trade deal would be the next to go, but that still leaves the issue with the Northern Ireland border. If we're not checking the goods going into the North then the EU will set up border checks going into the republic.
It is a mess really. Personally I've never understood why there can't be goods control points away from the border. I don't even know how much goods traffic there is across the border to control. But it's clear from the UK point of view that it isn't working, and that is within the grace period which is about to end. The Northern Ireland protocol of the Brexit Agreement was a big mistake.
I wouldn't be surprised if the trade deal would be the next to go, but that still leaves the issue with the Northern Ireland border. If we're not checking the goods going into the North then the EU will set up border checks going into the republic.
It is a mess really. Personally I've never understood why there can't be goods control points away from the border. I don't even know how much goods traffic there is across the border to control. But it's clear from the UK point of view that it isn't working, and that is within the grace period which is about to end. The Northern Ireland protocol of the Brexit Agreement was a big mistake.
What's the workable alternative though? How many years did successive Tory governments throw at the NI trilemma, only to find nothing more viable than May's Backstop, which is nothing more than what Johnson signed up to only with the proviso that it would have an end once technology was developed that would render it unnecessary? Tory Brexiters insisted the technology existed already so the Backstop wasn't needed... and yet mysteriously it hasn't been deployed to the border yet?
Once again, there literally isn't a way to square a hard Brexit, the GFA, and maintaining the integrity of the UK. The Government chose to sign up to the first two, whilst deciding to try to squeeze the third in through the back door and hope the EU didn't notice.
Or rather, knowing that the EU would notice, but the narrative could be created that attempting to enforce the deal the UK negoiated and agreed to was the EU continuing to punish the UK for daring to leave. When you have people on here accusing the EU of "playing silly buggers over NI" instead of pointing the finger at Boris and his cronies for selling them a lemon it tells you all you need to know.
Leavers: The Brexit campaign lied about what they could achieve and what benefits the country would have. The architects of such carried on lying to bring down May, they lied to gain a majority and they're lying to you now as to why what they promised isn't working.
Barnfred 55
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Why can't they have goods controls stops away from the borders?
roydo
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With respect, I, alongside many many others raised this years ago. It was a simple question that I asked, "How do Leavers square the circle between controlling our borders and the GFA?"
I was dismissed with the usual crap about project fear and technology, but here we are. You drive a truck blindfolded, and guess what happens.
Still, we have control now. Dont we?
roydo
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Internal ID checks for UK citizens you mean? Good luck selling that.
Away from which borders?
Barnfred 55
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Mate, I'm the first to admit I don't understand Northern Ireland politics. I've never been there and, although I've had numerous colleagues and friends from the country, none of them have really opened up about the issues there.
When the question of the GFA came up I genuinely asked whether goods control would create an issue, and was assured that it would because the Republicans didn't want any sort of border there. So I asked the question whether putting the border in the Irish Sea would create a problem with the loyalists and the one answer I got back was possibly, possibly not.
My question is why does there have to be control checks right on the border?. Why can't they be say 10 miles within the republic. I doubt we'd even have any on the UK side. The EU can still do their control checks to protect the Customs Union. It's only goods getting checked. Free movement of people is assured with the CTA. Everybody happy.
You do understand this is about the regulatory border between Britain and Northern Ireland though?
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Barnfred 55
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Well obviously yes. The regulatory border applies to goods and produce only. What else needs to be checked at the border?
So why can't this be done away from the border
Barnfred 55
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Well obviously yes. The regulatory border applies to goods and produce only. What else needs to be checked at the border?
So why can't this be done away from the border
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