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Director General of the BCC , may know what he is talking about. The realm of expert some might say, so cat and bath water springs to mind, for the Brexit will never ever die brigade.


 
And we had the frankly farcical scene yesterday of a Tory MP complaining that the BBC annual report didn't have any Union flags in it. The fact that the BBC is arguably the main exponent of soft power Britain possesses and therefore far more bloody important than any flag was seemingly lost on the honourable minister. We've become a laughing stock of small-mindedness.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
As I said above, Johnson et al have so politicized their entire effort that it's impossible to say anything negative towards what AZ have achieved to date without being viewed as unpatriotic or some other nonsense. I don't doubt whatsoever that the work done by the Oxford team in developing the vaccine has been first-rate, but when a company promises 100 million doses in Q1 and then revise that downwards by 60% I'm not sure how that can be viewed as anything but a massive balls up. They were the ones who promised that figure. No one put a gun to their head, and they would have known the challenges involved in doing so.



I've no doubt whatsoever that the UK government has been working their arses off throughout the pandemic as well. Are they also above reproach?



That they're doing this at cost is great, and hopefully when the J&J vaccine comes on board we can start redressing the awful situation that is seeing the developed world hoarding vaccines for themselves while the developing world are left to rot. It's appalling and a stain on all concerned. Sadly, there seems to be a prevailing spirit of "I'm alright Jack" and sod everyone else, which is not good to see.
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www.ft.com

AstraZeneca to publish more Covid vaccine trial data after monitors raise alarm

Independent board tells US authorities outdated information may have provided ‘incomplete view’ of efficacy
www.ft.com www.ft.com

Submitting out-of-date data is a mistake, we can accept that, right?

Incidentally, after positive trial results in July last year, their share price was 9,320. It now sits at 7,285.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
And we had the frankly farcical scene yesterday of a Tory MP complaining that the BBC annual report didn't have any Union flags in it. The fact that the BBC is arguably the main exponent of soft power Britain possesses and therefore far more bloody important than any flag was seemingly lost on the honourable minister. We've become a laughing stock of small-mindedness.
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It’s just the changing times...many on here will have grown up with the BBC finishing each nights programme schedule by playing the National Anthem... all the cinemas used to do the same after the film...it’s just different times and generations. To you it’s small-mindedness, to others it’s respect for our country. Have you ever complained about all those blue flags with gold stars on which are seemingly everywhere you look...even at last night of the proms...but I suppose that’s different.....
 
peteblue said:
It’s just the changing times...many on here will have grown up with the BBC finishing each nights programme schedule by playing the National Anthem... all the cinemas used to do the same after the film...it’s just different times and generations. To you it’s small-mindedness, to others it’s respect for our country. Have you ever complained about all those blue flags with gold stars on which are seemingly everywhere you look...even at last night of the proms...but I suppose that’s different.....
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It's small-mindedness. I worked on a similar document with an EU body last year and there wasn't an EU flag in sight. The very thought of including one would have been ridiculous and including one in no way shows respect for anything.
 
peteblue said:
It’s just the changing times...many on here will have grown up with the BBC finishing each nights programme schedule by playing the National Anthem... all the cinemas used to do the same after the film...it’s just different times and generations. To you it’s small-mindedness, to others it’s respect for our country. Have you ever complained about all those blue flags with gold stars on which are seemingly everywhere you look...even at last night of the proms...but I suppose that’s different.....
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I’ve never really got this myself - respect for a country or pride in a flag?

How do I respect a whole country? Do I have to respect everyone and everything in it including all the crimes and criminals? There’s lots of people, institutions and actions in every country that don’t deserve respect. Is it disrespectful to point those things out?

As for pride in a flag, I’ve always thought we should be proud of actions or achievements, not a bit of fabric you can pick up in a gift shop for a quid.

Flags are a Rorschach test, we get out of it what we bring to it. Some people may link the Union flag with the armed forces, so have pride in it for that reason - but the trigger of that pride isn’t located in the flag, it’s elsewhere.

Others may still link the flag with the National Front’s appropriation of it so pride isn’t necessarily the first emotion they feel. But still, that emotion isn’t in the flag, it’s the association to another thing that the flag represents to them.
 
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