Current Affairs EU In or Out

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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peteblue said:
Of course a big single market can be a benefit, but how big does the single market need to be ? Is 450 million people enough ?, does it need to be over 1Bn ? Or do you just do a deal with India ? What is it you are going to sell to all of these people ? For instance Scottish Whisky is sold in 166 countries worldwide and not just the 27 in the Eu or America or China. How do they manage that ? The startups you refer to don’t need to conquer the world in the first year and can indeed take their growth one market at a time and learn a lot by doing so. What are the real markets for what products and who are the real customers ? Being in a little country like the U.K. or Japan isn’t a barrier to success, both have some very large companies as you are aware. Though I’m still struggling to understand why a Czech startup, which is in the EU, needs additional markets or what barriers are being put in its place. I can accept that each Eu country may well have differing requirements and that if all of the EU was exactly the same then life would be easier for them. But even in England alone there will be a myriad of systems requirements for different councils/hospitals/businesses or whatever their customers requirements are, so they might as well pick on one ‘international’ market and give it a go, then do the next, and the next......
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So I do a lot of work in digital health, and regulatory alignment is not uniform across Europe, neither is the Health Technology Assessment (basically how effective from both a medical and a cost perspective) a technology is. That by and large is not in place at the moment so a startup would have to start from scratch in each country they go into rather than using evidence from one country as leverage when entering a second. That wouldn't be the case in the United States, for example.

As for how large, well that kinda depends doesn't it? At the moment one of the best health startups in the UK (@Jebus_lives may think otherwise) is Babylon. They've got 4 million or so users, which is a decent amount, and the majority of those are in the UK. For a bit they had a partnership with Tencent in China. Keep in mind that Tencent have well over 1 billion active users. It's perhaps no surprise that Tencent now does their own telehealth platform and ditched Babylon. Amazon are strongly expected to launch a telehealth platform of their own soon too and could quickly and easily market that to their 310 million customers, or even their 90 million Prime members. It's a different ballgame, and Babylon is valued at a few billion so is no small fry, but they haven't made a single dent in the European market.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
So I do a lot of work in digital health, and regulatory alignment is not uniform across Europe, neither is the Health Technology Assessment (basically how effective from both a medical and a cost perspective) a technology is. That by and large is not in place at the moment so a startup would have to start from scratch in each country they go into rather than using evidence from one country as leverage when entering a second. That wouldn't be the case in the United States, for example.

As for how large, well that kinda depends doesn't it? At the moment one of the best health startups in the UK (@Jebus_lives may think otherwise) is Babylon. They've got 4 million or so users, which is a decent amount, and the majority of those are in the UK. For a bit they had a partnership with Tencent in China. Keep in mind that Tencent have well over 1 billion active users. It's perhaps no surprise that Tencent now does their own telehealth platform and ditched Babylon. Amazon are strongly expected to launch a telehealth platform of their own soon too and could quickly and easily market that to their 310 million customers, or even their 90 million Prime members. It's a different ballgame, and Babylon is valued at a few billion so is no small fry, but they haven't made a single dent in the European market.
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I have been advised to read the following statement:

The NHS wants all our patients have access to high quality primary care when they need it. The health service is commited to increased empowerment of patients, and wants to increase capability for patients to take greater responsibility for their own health outcomes. Increased access to Primary Care, through digital means, is an integral part of the NHS long term strategy.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
So I do a lot of work in digital health, and regulatory alignment is not uniform across Europe, neither is the Health Technology Assessment (basically how effective from both a medical and a cost perspective) a technology is. That by and large is not in place at the moment so a startup would have to start from scratch in each country they go into rather than using evidence from one country as leverage when entering a second. That wouldn't be the case in the United States, for example.

As for how large, well that kinda depends doesn't it? At the moment one of the best health startups in the UK (@Jebus_lives may think otherwise) is Babylon. They've got 4 million or so users, which is a decent amount, and the majority of those are in the UK. For a bit they had a partnership with Tencent in China. Keep in mind that Tencent have well over 1 billion active users. It's perhaps no surprise that Tencent now does their own telehealth platform and ditched Babylon. Amazon are strongly expected to launch a telehealth platform of their own soon too and could quickly and easily market that to their 310 million customers, or even their 90 million Prime members. It's a different ballgame, and Babylon is valued at a few billion so is no small fry, but they haven't made a single dent in the European market.
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I’ve just spent an hour or so checking up on this company, reading the financial statements for Babylon Health and Babylon Holdings, it appears to be running at a continual loss mostly funded by the investments from Saudi Arabia. Now this technology may one day make a serious dent into GP practices or provide additional resource, but I doubt that by then this particular company will be doing it. It’s CEO is attempting to grow the company in U.K., USA, Canada, Singapore and Rwanda very quickly without really nailing down any one of them. It doesn’t seem particularly interested in going into the EU for some reason and the China tie up was always going to come to an end. I assume, because of the additional Saudi funding, it will stick with the U.K. and make a major pitch inside the USA. Get them to pay you in cash and options.

Perhaps it proves your original point regarding the EU re the need for regulatory alignment, but they could still have just picked a country like Germany and given it a go but then Language may also be an issue for this type of service....
 
Bruce Wayne said:
34 million doses exported from the EU is a decent sum, including 9 million to the UK. I wonder how many the UK has exported?

www.theguardian.com

Covid vaccine row: EU has exported 34m doses – including 9m to UK

Internal figures leaked amid tit-for-tat with Boris Johnson over claims UK had export ban in place
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Not many I suspect as we are using the ones we ordered on are population.
You would have factor how they were manufactured as well are they sent to the EU to be filled/ finished ECT, are we in fact just getting are own vaccine back?
A bit strange there are no figures out there I have seen to be honest.
 
Old Blue 2 said:
What do you expect from a Tory Government? They'll be giving anything gained from the NET amount to their Tory business chums...
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Just out of interest, and I don’t particularly have an ulterior motive here, but as I know you’re an ardent labour supporter and as brexit has pretty much given the tories free rule for another decade or so, do you at any point think that in hindsight you’d have voted remain?
Same question for @edge also. I guess I’m angling at whether the issue of Brexit superseded traditional politics.
 
edge said:
Not many I suspect as we are using the ones we ordered on are population.
You would have factor how they were manufactured as well are they sent to the EU to be filled/ finished ECT, are we in fact just getting are own vaccine back?
A bit strange there are no figures out there I have seen to be honest.
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It's hard not to bristle though when the right wing papers are happy to criticise the EU for seemingly blocking the export of vaccines outside of the bloc, when the reality is that they appear to be exporting a bloody lot of them, and quite a bit more than we are. If you read between the lines, it does appear that when the government says they're giving money to COVAX, that means they're giving money rather than vaccines.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
Just out of interest, and I don’t particularly have an ulterior motive here, but as I know you’re an ardent labour supporter and as brexit has pretty much given the tories free rule for another decade or so, do you at any point think that in hindsight you’d have voted remain?
Same question for @edge also. I guess I’m angling at whether the issue of Brexit superseded traditional politics.
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I have openly stated before if it was a choice between the Tories under Boris getting in or voting remain, I would have 100% have voted remain.
I don't trust Boris at all to be honest factor in the pandemic as well I would be about 50-50 on the vote, without Boris ,if I had known those things at the time of voting, but I didn't, and I am still deep down hold the belief that in the long run we are better out.
Saying that I am totally disillusioned with labour and have been for years, but they still are better than the Tory alternative and will get my vote as normal.
I can see why people vote Tory(couldn't ever myself) but cant see why anybody would want Boris.
 
edge said:
I have openly stated before if it was a choice between the Tories under Boris getting in or voting remain, I would have 100% have voted remain.
I don't trust Boris at all to be honest factor in the pandemic as well I would be about 50-50 on the vote, without Boris ,if I had known those things at the time of voting, but I didn't, and I am still deep down hold the belief that in the long run we are better out.
Saying that I am totally disillusioned with labour and have been for years, but they still are better than the Tory alternative and will get my vote as normal.
I can see why people vote Tory(couldn't ever myself) but cant see why anybody would want Boris.
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Cheers for replying. Not an easy question. I wonder if the brexit vote had somehow led to a Corbyn government, whether tories would have regretted their vote.
 
roydo said:
What are they, and what does their being suspended mean?
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The checks on food products from Europe. Government has spent millions on infrastructure and staffing levels to have people in for April 1st, putting immense pressure of local authorities and their budgets.

Now 20 days out they’ve pulled the plug for 6 months
 
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