tsubaki
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“you will get the car on...” (a particular date) pete
if they when don’t deliver it on the date they promised, are you saying it’s the buyers fault?
if so this is an interesting take
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“you will get the car on...” (a particular date) pete
if they when don’t deliver it on the date they promised, are you saying it’s the buyers fault?
if so this is an interesting take
tsubaki
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peteblue
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Then please could you produce a correct image or identify the numbers that are incorrect....thanks for the input...
peteblue
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The answer would have been NO, but we will try our best...and you all know it, but are doing everything you can to prove that the EU hasn’t made a monumental balls up.....
I wouldn't go into a BMW dealership as I'm not a self-important knobhead, but given that Toyota can put a car together in about 17 hours I'd be fairly confident that they could handle my order, especially if they themselves said that they could.
Tell me this Pete. Do you think whomever negotiated the agreement on behalf of the UK government went into a detailed exploration of the manufacturing capabilities of Pfizer, AZ, et al? Or do you think they took them at their word that they know what they're capable of producing?
peteblue
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And now we don’t. But we do benefit from the ability to move at a pace we wish and are not shackled to a dead weight in the form of the EU. It might even save your life.....
tsubaki
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Well, for a start it compares to different sets of circumstances. As far as I am aware, the EU is vaccinating based on manufacturers advice.
We aren’t - of our 7.2 million, 6.8 are first dose and only 400k second dose; strictly speaking we’ve only therefore protected 400k people properly.
tsubaki
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pete have you ever bought a car?
The EU haven't even approved it yet for use.
The AZ chairman said they had agreed to the best effort deal, to try and reach those figures, not a set number, they are increasing their manufacturing base at this moment to help towards that aim.
The EU were late putting in the order, As they wanted to move as a block, and also ordered 300 million of a French vaccine that will not at best be ready till the year-end, the same amount they ordered from an already passed German vaccine because they didn't want to give the German pharmaceutical and advantage over their French counterparts, meanwhile the populations of Europe go without the vaccine.
They have also purchased several others that are not ready yet.
As they are all acting in unison, none of the counties can sauce, their own supplies individually. Germany tried and were rebuked
The UK has been far from perfect, but we don't need lectures from a block that cannot get its act together.
peteblue
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It depends how you produce the stuff. If you set up a single production line then it’s just a case of filling the production slots and giving a date. Bearing in mind any change to that production line, technology or increase, may result in a slowing down (Pfizer). In the case of AZ they have said that each supply line is dedicated to each countries order, so the U.K. and EU will have different production and supply lines. If one happens to break down or takes longer to get up to speed then production numbers fall. AZ started the U.K. line 3 months before the EU line and the EU line is not yet fully up to speed. If AZ are correct in saying this then I’m having difficulty understanding why people cannot get their heads around this...
peteblue
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I have yes thank you....
peteblue
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Well, for a start it compares to different sets of circumstances. As far as I am aware, the EU is vaccinating based on manufacturers advice.
We aren’t - of our 7.2 million, 6.8 are first dose and only 400k second dose; strictly speaking we’ve only therefore protected 400k people properly.
Did you also see that AZ said the U.K. approach is the correct approach. And trying to play with single/double numbers doesn’t really help you as the European numbers will be single as well because of the timescales....but nice try, if a little foolish....
If you're talking about vaccination, I understand that the early approvals by our regulator have no relevance to our not being in the EU.
It is very difficult to see any benefits being derived from Brexit currently and I feel a lot of sympathy for people who feel hoodwinked by false promises and are now seeing huge negative impacts on their businesses.
Some benefits will no doubt emerge over the coming decades but it is difficult to foresee it replacing what we have lost. We just have to make the best of a bad job.
There is a really risk we will lose our own Union because of it as well. Worrying times.
peteblue
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Being in the Eu or out of it makes no difference regarding our Union. The SNP exist for one purpose only. The difference is that it would have been difficult enough for Scotland while we were in the EU, now it is far more difficult for them.....
tsubaki
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No, the European numbers will be mainly first doses, but with far less gap between first and second doses.
As for AZ’s advice, I would just point out there that what we are doing was initially (and may still be) for all vaccines, even though Pfizer explicitly said not to do it. Nor have we had much scientific evidence to back it up, and had none available when HMG said they were going to do it.
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