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So returns the infighting.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/02/beware-brexit-three-blind-mice-nick-herbert
Don't trust Brexit 'three blind mice', says Tory former minister
The three cabinet ministers in charge of Brexit –Boris Johnson, Liam Fox and David Davis – resemble “three blind mice” stumbling around the world with inconsistent messages on how to leave the EU, a Conservative former minister has said.
Nick Herbert, who led the Conservative remain campaign during the referendum, joined a number of senior Tories who are warning that there are still severe risks to the economy as government ministers try to work out a Brexit plan. He said it was essential to accept the result but warned against a “naive ideal of a new Britannia” making ministers overconfident that they will secure a good result for the UK.
“Conservatives must beware Brexit fundamentalism, or giving themselves up to a romanticised 1950s vision of Britain, a country of imperialist chauvinism,” he wrote in an article for the Guardian.
The first day of Conservative conference was dominated by Theresa May’s pledge to start the process by March next year, delighting Tory delegates at the International Convention Centre in Birmingham. She faced criticism about the competence of her three senior cabinet ministers in charge of Brexit and warnings against pursuing a “hard Brexit” that sacrificed access to the single market in order to achieve controls on immigration.
Herbert, the former minister for policing and criminal justice, said the government needed to be careful not to be swayed by the most hardline Brexiters and warned that the jury is still out on the performance of Johnson, the foreign secretary, Fox, the trade secretary, and Davis, the Brexit secretary.
“We should be talking about financial passportingand the need to prevent a haemorrhage of banking jobs from the City, not fixating on the colour of our passports. We should be discussing how to strike the best deal with our biggest trading partner, not how to relaunch a royal yacht,” he said.
“The so-called ‘three Brexiteers’ have so far rather more resembled three blind mice, stumbling around the world’s capitals with inconsistent messages, united only in their assurance that it will be alright on the night,” he added.
“Now the politicians who were already inclined to be deaf to business concerns have been emboldened by the apparent resilience of Britain’s economy in the face of a predicted short-term shock. The risk is that important concerns about the long-term impacts of a hard Brexit will be dismissed. We may all be Brexiteers now, but leaving without being able to reassure inward investors or the financial services industry that they will be able do business as usual would be a catastrophe.”
Open Britain campaign group holding the government to account on leaving the EU. He said there was a “staggering” collective naivety about the ease of doing global trade deals, when these typically took years to negotiate and were “not exactly flavour of the month” with the public when it came to agreements like TTIP. “One senior minister said there would be a trade deal with New Zealand before Christmas,” he said.
Another leading Brexit campaigner predicted a deal with India “faster than you can say masala bond”.
“Those who talk so excitedly do not stop to consider the inevitable first demand of major agricultural exporters, which is that we drop our farm subsidies. And they clearly haven’t understood that even poor deals take years to complete.”
However, such warnings, and others about Brexit from former cabinet ministers Nicky Morgan, Ken Clarke, Anna Soubry and Dominic Grieve, did not dampen the mood of the first day of May’s first conference as prime minister, which appeared optimistic about the prospects for Britain after leaving the EU.
At a fringe event, Fox, who returned to the cabinet as trade secretary under May, was applauded as he spoke with tears in his eyes about his pride in the UK for voting to leave the EU.
“I have never felt so proud of my fellow countrymen and women as I did at that moment. I thought: ‘You have taken on all the doomsayers, you have really had faith in what Britain can do, you really believe in this country and yourselves.’
Europe.
The battle between those who want to minimise the separation with Europe and others who want a clean break was mostly played out on the airwaves rather than the conference floor.
Iain Duncan Smith, the arch-Eurosceptic former cabinet minister, dismissed all fears about the economic consequences of Brexit, saying car manufacturers in the UK would not be “affected adversely” in any shape or form by the decision to leave.
This was challenged by Soubry, who was involved with founding Open Britain and backed the remain campaign, who told ITV’s Peston on Sunday that it was “rubbish” to suggest the future trading relationship with the EU would be as favourable as now.
“We’re going to get something worse, obviously we are, and we don’t hold the cards, the EU does,” she said.
Tory modernisers delivering such warnings were vocal but in short supply, with May enjoying the backing of most backbenchers as well as remain supporters who have joined her frontbench.
David Cameron and George Osborne were notably absent, although Lord Feldman, the former party chairman, was one of the few Cameroons spotted in the crowd.
Conservative delegates in the main hall gave May, Davis and Johnson a rousing reception, while applause for the legacy of David Cameron was more muted.
Dozens of fringes each day at the four-day conference are dedicated to the details of leaving the EU, from the impact on relations with Turkey after warnings from Brexiters against it joining the EU to the future for forestry post-Brexit.
One cabinet minister told the Guardian he was not bothering to make any big policy announcements in his speech because the whole conference was so dominated by the subject of leaving the EU.
Some Conservative remainers were, however, still pining for pre-Brexit times. Flick Drummond, a Tory MP who backed the remain campaign, said she was “still going through the mourning stage” of the Brexit vote.
“It’s more about the influence we’ve lost within Europe rather than anything else. I now feel we’re really on the outside of EU governance,” she said. “But we’ve got to make the most of it. We have to get out there very quickly now.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/02/beware-brexit-three-blind-mice-nick-herbert
Don't trust Brexit 'three blind mice', says Tory former minister
The three cabinet ministers in charge of Brexit –Boris Johnson, Liam Fox and David Davis – resemble “three blind mice” stumbling around the world with inconsistent messages on how to leave the EU, a Conservative former minister has said.
Nick Herbert, who led the Conservative remain campaign during the referendum, joined a number of senior Tories who are warning that there are still severe risks to the economy as government ministers try to work out a Brexit plan. He said it was essential to accept the result but warned against a “naive ideal of a new Britannia” making ministers overconfident that they will secure a good result for the UK.
“Conservatives must beware Brexit fundamentalism, or giving themselves up to a romanticised 1950s vision of Britain, a country of imperialist chauvinism,” he wrote in an article for the Guardian.
The first day of Conservative conference was dominated by Theresa May’s pledge to start the process by March next year, delighting Tory delegates at the International Convention Centre in Birmingham. She faced criticism about the competence of her three senior cabinet ministers in charge of Brexit and warnings against pursuing a “hard Brexit” that sacrificed access to the single market in order to achieve controls on immigration.
Herbert, the former minister for policing and criminal justice, said the government needed to be careful not to be swayed by the most hardline Brexiters and warned that the jury is still out on the performance of Johnson, the foreign secretary, Fox, the trade secretary, and Davis, the Brexit secretary.
“We should be talking about financial passportingand the need to prevent a haemorrhage of banking jobs from the City, not fixating on the colour of our passports. We should be discussing how to strike the best deal with our biggest trading partner, not how to relaunch a royal yacht,” he said.
“The so-called ‘three Brexiteers’ have so far rather more resembled three blind mice, stumbling around the world’s capitals with inconsistent messages, united only in their assurance that it will be alright on the night,” he added.
“Now the politicians who were already inclined to be deaf to business concerns have been emboldened by the apparent resilience of Britain’s economy in the face of a predicted short-term shock. The risk is that important concerns about the long-term impacts of a hard Brexit will be dismissed. We may all be Brexiteers now, but leaving without being able to reassure inward investors or the financial services industry that they will be able do business as usual would be a catastrophe.”
Open Britain campaign group holding the government to account on leaving the EU. He said there was a “staggering” collective naivety about the ease of doing global trade deals, when these typically took years to negotiate and were “not exactly flavour of the month” with the public when it came to agreements like TTIP. “One senior minister said there would be a trade deal with New Zealand before Christmas,” he said.
Another leading Brexit campaigner predicted a deal with India “faster than you can say masala bond”.
“Those who talk so excitedly do not stop to consider the inevitable first demand of major agricultural exporters, which is that we drop our farm subsidies. And they clearly haven’t understood that even poor deals take years to complete.”
However, such warnings, and others about Brexit from former cabinet ministers Nicky Morgan, Ken Clarke, Anna Soubry and Dominic Grieve, did not dampen the mood of the first day of May’s first conference as prime minister, which appeared optimistic about the prospects for Britain after leaving the EU.
At a fringe event, Fox, who returned to the cabinet as trade secretary under May, was applauded as he spoke with tears in his eyes about his pride in the UK for voting to leave the EU.
“I have never felt so proud of my fellow countrymen and women as I did at that moment. I thought: ‘You have taken on all the doomsayers, you have really had faith in what Britain can do, you really believe in this country and yourselves.’
Europe.
The battle between those who want to minimise the separation with Europe and others who want a clean break was mostly played out on the airwaves rather than the conference floor.
Iain Duncan Smith, the arch-Eurosceptic former cabinet minister, dismissed all fears about the economic consequences of Brexit, saying car manufacturers in the UK would not be “affected adversely” in any shape or form by the decision to leave.
This was challenged by Soubry, who was involved with founding Open Britain and backed the remain campaign, who told ITV’s Peston on Sunday that it was “rubbish” to suggest the future trading relationship with the EU would be as favourable as now.
“We’re going to get something worse, obviously we are, and we don’t hold the cards, the EU does,” she said.
Tory modernisers delivering such warnings were vocal but in short supply, with May enjoying the backing of most backbenchers as well as remain supporters who have joined her frontbench.
David Cameron and George Osborne were notably absent, although Lord Feldman, the former party chairman, was one of the few Cameroons spotted in the crowd.
Conservative delegates in the main hall gave May, Davis and Johnson a rousing reception, while applause for the legacy of David Cameron was more muted.
Dozens of fringes each day at the four-day conference are dedicated to the details of leaving the EU, from the impact on relations with Turkey after warnings from Brexiters against it joining the EU to the future for forestry post-Brexit.
One cabinet minister told the Guardian he was not bothering to make any big policy announcements in his speech because the whole conference was so dominated by the subject of leaving the EU.
Some Conservative remainers were, however, still pining for pre-Brexit times. Flick Drummond, a Tory MP who backed the remain campaign, said she was “still going through the mourning stage” of the Brexit vote.
“It’s more about the influence we’ve lost within Europe rather than anything else. I now feel we’re really on the outside of EU governance,” she said. “But we’ve got to make the most of it. We have to get out there very quickly now.”
wikofootball
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May the new dictator trying to keep secret information. On leaving the EU challenged. And had to disclose details in court case pushing through article. 50 without parliament vote fascism at the highest level imo
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I actually find Theresa May to be quite attractive. Just putting that out there.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Oh dear, in the Guardian you say, so no bias there then.....
Soubry is an idiot. During the Referendum evening she was like a drunk spouting the first things that popped into her head. She has continued in the same vein ever since trying to appear relevant. She was not sacked by May because of her remain credentials, she was sacked because she is an incompetent idiot. She just cannot get it through her thick skull that the vote was to leave, but then again she 'knows best'........
It's not surprising as you have the farcical situation of Johnson reverting to his pre-reforendum belief that Turkey joining the EU is a good thing, and so actively lobbying for an event that a few months previously he was saying was so terrible it's a major reason why we should leave. He's taking us for utter mugs.
Meanwhile, Renault boss Carlos Ghosn has also said over the weekend that he fully expects the government to bend over backwards to ensure his plant remains open in Sunderland. So even if we end up with tariffs on the sale of cars into the EU, he expects the government to at least pay him the cost of those subsidies, or you'll have tens of thousands of people in a massively deprived part of the country on the dole. Over a barrel springs to mind.
Theresa May: Leaving EU won't solve immigration 26th April 2016
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Britain leaving the EU would not be "the single bullet" to solve the UK's immigration issues, according to Theresa May.
In a speech about Britain's membership of the EU, the Home Secretary said voters shouldn't think a potential Brexit would "suddenly solve all our immigration problems".
But Ms May's speech, while advocating Britain remaining within the EU, was "so Eurosceptic in tone" that it pleased some members of the Leave campaign.
She said the UK is the fifth largest economy in the world and has alliances that go far beyond Europe.
However, she maintained that Brexit risks bringing the development of the single market to a halt and could cause the loss of investors and businesses.
"The disintegration of the EU would cause massive instability among our nearest neighbours and biggest trading partners - 44% of our goods and services go to the EU," she said.
"Remaining inside the European Union does make us more secure. It does make us more prosperous and it does make us more influential beyond our shores."
However, Ms May said Britain should leave the European Convention on Human Rights.
"The ECHR can bind the hands of parliament, makes us less secure by preventing the deportation of dangerous foreign nationals and does nothing to change the attitudes of governments like Russia's when it comes to human rights," she said.
"If we want to reform human rights laws in this country, it isn't the EU we should leave but the ECHR and the jurisdiction of its court."
Ms May said Britain would never sign up to a European police force or public prosecutor, but stressed the benefits the EU has when it comes to co-operation and information sharing.
Outside EU, we would have no access to the European arrest warrant, which has allowed us to extradite more than 5,000 people to Europe in the last five years.
In the last year, we have been able to check the criminal records of foreign nationals more than 100,000 times.
Checks such as these mean we have been able to deport more than 3,000 European nationals who posed a threat to the public.
– THERESA MAY, HOME SECRETARY
Ms May responded to immigration concerns that have featured in the EU referendum debate, pointing out that remaining in the EU does not mean Britain cannot control its borders.
"The fact we are not part of Schengen means we have avoided the worst of the migration crisis that has hit continental Europe over the last year," she said".
May's changed her tune. It was May's responsibility to 'control its (UK) borders' which she didn't do a very good job controlling immigration to 100 000. Europe will always mean bickering in the Tory Party and when they bicker at each other it will get nasty.
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- 25 April 2016 at 12:30pm
Play videoBritain leaving the EU would not be "the single bullet" to solve the UK's immigration issues, according to Theresa May.
In a speech about Britain's membership of the EU, the Home Secretary said voters shouldn't think a potential Brexit would "suddenly solve all our immigration problems".
But Ms May's speech, while advocating Britain remaining within the EU, was "so Eurosceptic in tone" that it pleased some members of the Leave campaign.
She said the UK is the fifth largest economy in the world and has alliances that go far beyond Europe.
However, she maintained that Brexit risks bringing the development of the single market to a halt and could cause the loss of investors and businesses.
"The disintegration of the EU would cause massive instability among our nearest neighbours and biggest trading partners - 44% of our goods and services go to the EU," she said.
"Remaining inside the European Union does make us more secure. It does make us more prosperous and it does make us more influential beyond our shores."
However, Ms May said Britain should leave the European Convention on Human Rights.
"The ECHR can bind the hands of parliament, makes us less secure by preventing the deportation of dangerous foreign nationals and does nothing to change the attitudes of governments like Russia's when it comes to human rights," she said.
"If we want to reform human rights laws in this country, it isn't the EU we should leave but the ECHR and the jurisdiction of its court."
Ms May said Britain would never sign up to a European police force or public prosecutor, but stressed the benefits the EU has when it comes to co-operation and information sharing.
Outside EU, we would have no access to the European arrest warrant, which has allowed us to extradite more than 5,000 people to Europe in the last five years.
In the last year, we have been able to check the criminal records of foreign nationals more than 100,000 times.
Checks such as these mean we have been able to deport more than 3,000 European nationals who posed a threat to the public.
– THERESA MAY, HOME SECRETARY
Ms May responded to immigration concerns that have featured in the EU referendum debate, pointing out that remaining in the EU does not mean Britain cannot control its borders.
"The fact we are not part of Schengen means we have avoided the worst of the migration crisis that has hit continental Europe over the last year," she said".
May's changed her tune. It was May's responsibility to 'control its (UK) borders' which she didn't do a very good job controlling immigration to 100 000. Europe will always mean bickering in the Tory Party and when they bicker at each other it will get nasty.
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She also forgot the dates on when abu qatada was in court for his extradition. Instead the UK Govt struck a deal with Jordan to get shut of him.
And after all them taxpayer £££'s spunked on his supposed human rights, he lives the life of riley now.
And after all them taxpayer £££'s spunked on his supposed human rights, he lives the life of riley now.
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Pound Hits 31 year low against the Dollar
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...est-hard-theresa-may-conference-a7343736.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...est-hard-theresa-may-conference-a7343736.html
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Will really help exports and the FTSE goes through 7000 mark.....swings and roundabouts......
Bruce why would the EU put tariffs on us when we import more from them than we export?
ie we would put tariffs on their goods and be in the money up to 4 billion per year,
so tariffs is a non starter for them as why would an organisation punish itself - DOH I forgot its the idiotic EU parliament, and it upper house unelected with the power silly me!
Thank goodness we will get out and yes it a bumpy road yes May is correct she will not wait for 27 countries to all vote on one negotiation we put forwards all of them have to agree remember!
That would take an age hence the other countries being awkward its up to them we can make our own way in the world - they need us more than we need them they are in an institution in dire trouble financially printing euros - many of them don't even like us their attitude towards us on brexit proves what bully boys they are!
My wife an I were in homes and Bargain yesterday and the item I wanted was not there a young whipper snapper of a lad told me to try the EU eco friendly alternative- I gave him the facts on VAT to purchase tax before we joined he was gobsmacked then as we walked down the other isle he an a older co worker were having a bras debate I laughed to myself , and thought gosh it's like the GOTlol
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Did your ma drop you on your head when you were a youngster ???
If she did he would be in Momentum and backing Corbynism !
See the vice Chair of momentum has been removed, not sacked for anti Semitic quotes in a meeting to sort out ant semitism why has the Labour leader not just dismissed her?
She is still a member of the Labour Party via Momentum?
The same leader who wants to open the doors for even more immigration when his heartlands went against him on the EU?
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This is the initial blip of a weakened currency, in the longer term it might be more problematic, especially with the UK trying to negotiate trade deals with the EU. The economy seems to be doing very well at the moment, it just seems to me that there is very little strategy with regard to shoring it up in the future.
Great for exports - stock market sky high great for investors swings and roundabouts, as @peteblue stated, is Corban started growing his money tree yet hope he's watering it 500 billion to spend !
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