Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Jebus_lives]

I wonder what the bigger concern is, relatively - Fish to the UK, or potatoes to Scotland?

Independence is nailed on at this point I reckon. Far too much contempt shown from Westminster these last few years (Scotland has always been an afterthought but now it's barely even that).

I think as Pete points out, any and every development will be used to try to get Independence by the SNP.

I would recommend inventing laws and regulations about trade in order to fool people into thinking something is happening that it isn't...they could talk about unelected bureaucrats at Westminster, types of oil that you have to legally fry your mars bars in, selling more fish to England than they buy, sovereignty of course - not being under the boot of London and a vassal state, bullying by the UK in not giving them exactly what they want...

The blueprint is there now.

 

[Jebus_lives]

But didn’t we hold all the cards?

This is the sad thing really. For all that was promised, we are relieved to be getting a deal that by all estimates is a weakened position from where we previously have been.

 

[peteblue]

But didn’t we hold all the cards?

May had already given the pack of cards to the EU.......

 

[Chewbacca]

May had already given the pack of cards to the EU.......

So, another Tory clusterf...

 

[edge]

I think as Pete points out, any and every development will be used to try to get Independence by the SNP.

I would recommend inventing laws and regulations about trade in order to fool people into thinking something is happening that it isn't...they could talk about unelected bureaucrats at Westminster, types of oil that you have to legally fry your mars bars in, selling more fish to England than they buy, sovereignty of course - not being under the boot of London and a vassal state, bullying by the UK in not giving them exactly what they want...

The blueprint is there now.

Hope the jocks take the chance if they want to go .
No problem from me if they choose that path.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Hope the jocks take the chance if they want to go .
No problem from me if they choose that path.

Be a sad day for me personally if they choose that route. Can see why they would though. Will also lead to England becoming more right wing I feel.

 

[BlueDraka]

Well yes, but they are using the detail which presumably has been leaked by the UK government as a 'win'.

Personally, I'll wait for the detail, but professionally it would be sensible for them to use what detail they have to assess their position, no

Well yes, but they are using the detail which presumably has been leaked by the UK government as a 'win'.

Personally, I'll wait for the detail, but professionally it would be sensible for them to use what detail they have to assess their position, no?

Couldn't agree more. But still guesswork

 

[peteblue]

So, another Tory clusterf...

Can’t argue with that......

 

[peteblue]

Be a sad day for me personally if they choose that route. Can see why they would though. Will also lead to England becoming more right wing I feel.

Unfortunately I don’t think they will. Apart from the fact that they will have to take with them their share of the U.K. debt, their share being about £154Bn, they are already the poorest performing economic part of the U.K.. They will also lose the additional £15bn per year gained from the rest of the U.K. and will have to adopt the £ or the €, neither of which they will have any control over. Their current public services will become unaffordable.

From an independence point of view, if they wish it, I am in total agreement, go for it. But unlike the Eu which was subsidised by the U.K., the reverse is true with Scotland, so while the EU tried everything to keep us in, it will be much easier for the U.K. to say goodbye to them.

So assuming they vote for independence, they will spend a considerable time negotiating with both the U.K. and the EU to establish a future trading arrangement, whilst also negotiating membership of the EU and getting past the Spain/Catalonia issue and the cost to either Scotland or the EU of their membership. That should be quite easy if our recent experience is anything to go by. But whatever they wish to do, it’s up to them and I wish them luck.....

 

[tsubaki]

Hope the jocks take the chance if they want to go .
No problem from me if they choose that path.

make no mistake, the world will be a far less safe place if that happens

 

[thirdmantackle]

Unfortunately I don’t think they will. Apart from the fact that they will have to take with them their share of the U.K. debt, their share being about £154Bn, they are already the poorest performing economic part of the U.K.. They will also lose the additional £15bn per year gained from the rest of the U.K. and will have to adopt the £ or the €, neither of which they will have any control over. Their current public services will become unaffordable.

From an independence point of view, if they wish it, I am in total agreement, go for it. But unlike the Eu which was subsidised by the U.K., the reverse is true with Scotland, so while the EU tried everything to keep us in, it will be much easier for the U.K. to say goodbye to them.

So assuming they vote for independence, they will spend a considerable time negotiating with both the U.K. and the EU to establish a future trading arrangement, whilst also negotiating membership of the EU and getting past the Spain/Catalonia issue and the cost to either Scotland or the EU of their membership. That should be quite easy if our recent experience is anything to go by. But whatever they wish to do, it’s up to them and I wish them luck.....

You live in unicorn land

 

[Azza]

Looking at the 'winners' and 'losers' document. There's no access to Eurodac and therefore no ability to use Dublin III treaty. Where is the UK going to send the asylum seekers since the Gov won't know the first EU country of entry to process their claims?!

 

[Jebus_lives]

Couldn't agree more. But still guesswork

When you are ill do you go to the Dr or just ask a random broke in the street what's wrong with you?

 

[Azza]

3PM press conference.

 

[Xizor]

Looking at the 'winners' and 'losers' document. There's no access to Eurodac and therefore no ability to use Dublin III treaty. Where is the UK going to send the asylum seekers since the Gov won't know the first EU country of entry to process their claims?!

Listen to you with your doom and gloom rational concerns. Blue passports! Mackerel and chips for tea every night! No more Polski shops taking up valuable space where another Poundland can go! Sovereignty!