Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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The truth is people were lied to and many made their decision based on 'promises' that were never going to happen.

What matters post this debacle is that we ensure we retain access to the single market, that's all I'm bothered about.

The rest of it won't impact on my life in any tangible and meaningful way and I therefore largely couldn't give a toss.

Which is what we believed we joined in the first place, a trading block. All this other idiocy of Brussels/Strasbourg, Superstate, Common Foreign Policy, Eu Army, Common Currency, Open Borders, new Laws, ever Eastward Expansion, all overseen by nonentities like Juncker and the other 4 Presidents with a European Parliament and European Flag, will end in tears and at huge cost. Never give Politicians the opportunity of yet another trough to feed from......
 
Yes, by both sides! You act as though the remain side told nothing but the truth when that clearly isn't the case. In reality the remain camp cost itself the whole campaign due it's own ridiculous lies and threats. It came down to just over 1.5million votes and I'm fairly confident that bigger numbers then that would of voted to remain if their campaign hadn't been so nasty and condescending. The end of Western Civilisation and WW3 just around the corner are just two whoppers they told. It's politics mate, nobody ever tells you the full truth.

I have to address this as there's an impression created that as soon as the votes had been counted as though things would go belly up. That isn't what was said. What was said is that there are nasty forces that are no longer on the fringes of western politics. People like Le Pen in France, Wilders in Holland, Trump in America and so on. The warning was that Brexit would be a boost to such individuals and their twisted ideologies and that we may be the first domino to set off a thoroughly unpleasant chain of events.

Of course that hasn't come to pass yet because none of those individuals have had any votes cast for them. Try asking again after the US elections and the French/German ones next year.
 
They were at a luxurious venue yesterday on a massive yacht with security, meeting held in a massive castle, it was supposed to be discussing our Brexit - never even got there tried to expel the Hungarian pm because he protected his borders from migrants!
Some of the countries there wanted what we had voted forlol
The top hat on it all when Italy PM revelled and would not go on screen as he stead he was not going to read lies on a piece of paper with Myrtle and co and went in another room stating no more austerity for his countrylol
Thank god we will lose these losers in the future!

Maybe you should do more Googling on just what that man wants to do Joey. One of his mps wanted to put dead pigs heads all across the border to scare off Muslims. Is that the kind of company you want to keep? Seriously?
 
Maybe you should do more Googling on just what that man wants to do Joey. One of his mps wanted to put dead pigs heads all across the border to scare off Muslims. Is that the kind of company you want to keep? Seriously?
You misunderstand my post Bruce the EU has just sat for 18 months doing nothing to help the migrant crisis other than bribe Turkey with 60 million Euros to stop the trafficking of migrants it's been organised chaos - action had to be taken it was disgusting action, but why did it have to lead to that your well organised joke of an EU no wonder the vote of out won did you see the extragance of that meeting yesterday ??
It all the reasons in a nutshell that we should leave, Junker in a speech sloshed the other day in crisis talks came up with a garrentee of 4 G broadband for every village in the EU NEPs in the senate were aghast that this p@ss artist is putting this in a vital address to the speech laughable!
A joke of an organisation Bruce no need to google it either!
Oh by the way one delegate on expelling Hungery reason to round the numbers up to 26 countries you could not make this up they are in crisis, and people still want to remain in a club that wants to create an EU army it was on the table exactly what Farage was predicting they make him look like a top statesman to the way they behave!
 
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It was on every news station they asked Day to explain and he stated peace in Europe was down to the EU!
Dear me , and I thought it was the United Nations set up after World war 2 ?
The EU want to set up its own milartary armed forces it will be one French led as most of the the other countries have nil contribution?
 
When one door shuts for some it opens for others. Bundersbak boss touting for financial business for Germany.

Hard Brexit will cost City of London its hub status, warns Bundesbank boss

Hard Brexit will cost City of London its hub status, warns Bundesbank boss


Passporting rights to operate across EU will be lost if UK does not at least stay within the European Economic Area, says Jens Weidmann



The president of the Deutsche Bundesbank, Jens Weidmann. Photograph: Daniel Roland/AFP/Getty Images
The head of Germany’s central bank has warned that London’s position as a financial centre would be dealt a severe blow if the UK left the single market because banks would be denied the right to operate across the 27 remaining members of the EU.

The “hard Brexit” option – favoured by some leading Conservative eurosceptics – would mean banks would automatically be stripped of their ability to conduct business across the EU and open the door for Frankfurt to take business away from London, the Bundesbank president, Jens Weidmann, said.

In an interview with the Guardian, Weidmann emphasised that banking “passporting rights are tied to the single market and would automatically cease to apply if Great Britain is no longer at least part of the European Economic Area” (EEA).

The question over passporting rights is a crucial issue for Britain’s financial services industry since they allow firms to use London as a hub for serving clients from across the EU, without the need for licences in individual countries. Its importance appeared to be emphasised by data published on Sunday showing that foreign banks with affiliates in the UK account for a large share of international banking activity in London.

In the wake of Britain’s vote to leave the EU, the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, had tried to assure US banks that the UK would retain its passporting rights even if it left the EEA, as many of Johnson’s allies are pushing for.

But Weidmann appeared to quash such a compromise, describing passporting rights as “crucial” for the City of London because a lack of them could force companies to relocate to financial centres on the continent such as Frankfurt.

“Of course several businesses will reconsider the location of their headquarters. As a significant financial centre and the seat of important regulatory and supervisory bodies, Frankfurt is attractive and will welcome newcomers. But I don’t expect a mass exodus from London to Frankfurt.”

In a wide-ranging interview, the Bundesbank president warned of reading too much into signs that the British economy had already weathered the turbulence of the Brexit vote. “Britain hasn’t even applied to leave yet,” Weidmann said when asked whether the remain camp’s “Project Fear” had been exposed as scaremongering.

“To assume on the basis of the developments so far that there won’t be any negative consequences would be to draw false conclusions. Great Britain is very closely tied to the EU and Germany. If you reduce these relations to that of a third country, it will suppress economic growth in Britain.”

Speaking to a group of European newspapers including the Guardian, Germany’s Süddeutsche Zeitung, France’s Le Monde and Italy’s La Stampa at the Bundesbank headquarters in Frankfurt, Weidmann also warned the remaining EU members against trying to compensate for Britain’s breakaway decision with steps towards further integration.

“For many of its citizens, Europe has indeed lost its shine and become a projection screen for the downsides of globalisation and migration. Likewise, the usual instincts of the EU institutions to answer crises with “more Brussels”, more integration, no longer resonates with the public. Integration cannot be an end in itself, it has to make sense.”

Mario Draghi, president of the European Central Bank, has argued that monetary union required a political union in order to flourish, but Weidmann said he saw no willingness among governments in Germany, France or Italy to cede control over their household budgets. “On the contrary, national governments and parliaments don’t want Brussels to interfere. We can also see this in the treatment of the EU budget rules, which are being increasingly put into question.”

Weidmann, the head of Germany’s central bank since 2011 after working as an adviser to Chancellor Angela Merkel, showed no solution to the standoff between southern and northern members of the eurozone.

Asked if there were reasons to revise Italy’s current course of austerity and budget discipline given that Rome is cutting its growth forecast, Weidmann said: “The real question is, does Italy have an austerity policy at all? In view of the high debt levels, household consolidation is of tantamount importance, also to avoid any doubt about sustainability of its public debt.”The 48-year-old warned of the risks that came with extending the ECB’s low interest rate policy beyond next March: “The longer the low-interest phase continues, the bigger the risks of an ultra laid-back monetary policy. Under no circumstances must we keep interest rates low for longer than price stability requires. Resulting difficulties for individual financial institutions or national budgets must not deter us from normalising monetary policy once it is necessary to do so.” The ECB left the single currency area’s main interest rate at 0% at its meeting earlier this month.

Reflecting on the changing status of central banks over the last seven years of the European debt crisis, Weidmann said he shared some concerns, voiced by activist groups such as Occupy, that financial institutions had become more powerful than elected governments.

“Central bankers are increasingly under pressure to solve all sorts of problems that extend way beyond monetary policy. After Brexit, everyone turned immediately to the central banks and relied on us to calm the waves and give politics the time to sort itself out.

“The financial crisis and politicians’ indecisiveness have pushed us into a new role, and we allowed it to happen. As a result, we intervene ever more deeply in individual markets and now have a problematic proximity to financial policy,” Weidmann said, pointing to the ECB’s role within the troika – alongside the EU and the IMF – during the Greece debt crisis".
 
Oh right, so no mention of WW3.

Thanks for confirming that the headline was merely Leave spin, by posting from the Torygraph

I think the Telegraph supported the Remain vote......you do actually remember that the Conservative Government wanted to remain, yes.........But don't let your natural bias get in the way......
 
When one door shuts for some it opens for others. Bundersbak boss touting for financial business for Germany.

Hard Brexit will cost City of London its hub status, warns Bundesbank boss

Hard Brexit will cost City of London its hub status, warns Bundesbank boss


Passporting rights to operate across EU will be lost if UK does not at least stay within the European Economic Area, says Jens Weidmann



The president of the Deutsche Bundesbank, Jens Weidmann. Photograph: Daniel Roland/AFP/Getty Images
The head of Germany’s central bank has warned that London’s position as a financial centre would be dealt a severe blow if the UK left the single market because banks would be denied the right to operate across the 27 remaining members of the EU.

The “hard Brexit” option – favoured by some leading Conservative eurosceptics – would mean banks would automatically be stripped of their ability to conduct business across the EU and open the door for Frankfurt to take business away from London, the Bundesbank president, Jens Weidmann, said.

In an interview with the Guardian, Weidmann emphasised that banking “passporting rights are tied to the single market and would automatically cease to apply if Great Britain is no longer at least part of the European Economic Area” (EEA).

The question over passporting rights is a crucial issue for Britain’s financial services industry since they allow firms to use London as a hub for serving clients from across the EU, without the need for licences in individual countries. Its importance appeared to be emphasised by data published on Sunday showing that foreign banks with affiliates in the UK account for a large share of international banking activity in London.

In the wake of Britain’s vote to leave the EU, the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, had tried to assure US banks that the UK would retain its passporting rights even if it left the EEA, as many of Johnson’s allies are pushing for.

But Weidmann appeared to quash such a compromise, describing passporting rights as “crucial” for the City of London because a lack of them could force companies to relocate to financial centres on the continent such as Frankfurt.

“Of course several businesses will reconsider the location of their headquarters. As a significant financial centre and the seat of important regulatory and supervisory bodies, Frankfurt is attractive and will welcome newcomers. But I don’t expect a mass exodus from London to Frankfurt.”

In a wide-ranging interview, the Bundesbank president warned of reading too much into signs that the British economy had already weathered the turbulence of the Brexit vote. “Britain hasn’t even applied to leave yet,” Weidmann said when asked whether the remain camp’s “Project Fear” had been exposed as scaremongering.

“To assume on the basis of the developments so far that there won’t be any negative consequences would be to draw false conclusions. Great Britain is very closely tied to the EU and Germany. If you reduce these relations to that of a third country, it will suppress economic growth in Britain.”

Speaking to a group of European newspapers including the Guardian, Germany’s Süddeutsche Zeitung, France’s Le Monde and Italy’s La Stampa at the Bundesbank headquarters in Frankfurt, Weidmann also warned the remaining EU members against trying to compensate for Britain’s breakaway decision with steps towards further integration.

“For many of its citizens, Europe has indeed lost its shine and become a projection screen for the downsides of globalisation and migration. Likewise, the usual instincts of the EU institutions to answer crises with “more Brussels”, more integration, no longer resonates with the public. Integration cannot be an end in itself, it has to make sense.”

Mario Draghi, president of the European Central Bank, has argued that monetary union required a political union in order to flourish, but Weidmann said he saw no willingness among governments in Germany, France or Italy to cede control over their household budgets. “On the contrary, national governments and parliaments don’t want Brussels to interfere. We can also see this in the treatment of the EU budget rules, which are being increasingly put into question.”

Weidmann, the head of Germany’s central bank since 2011 after working as an adviser to Chancellor Angela Merkel, showed no solution to the standoff between southern and northern members of the eurozone.

Asked if there were reasons to revise Italy’s current course of austerity and budget discipline given that Rome is cutting its growth forecast, Weidmann said: “The real question is, does Italy have an austerity policy at all? In view of the high debt levels, household consolidation is of tantamount importance, also to avoid any doubt about sustainability of its public debt.”The 48-year-old warned of the risks that came with extending the ECB’s low interest rate policy beyond next March: “The longer the low-interest phase continues, the bigger the risks of an ultra laid-back monetary policy. Under no circumstances must we keep interest rates low for longer than price stability requires. Resulting difficulties for individual financial institutions or national budgets must not deter us from normalising monetary policy once it is necessary to do so.” The ECB left the single currency area’s main interest rate at 0% at its meeting earlier this month.

Reflecting on the changing status of central banks over the last seven years of the European debt crisis, Weidmann said he shared some concerns, voiced by activist groups such as Occupy, that financial institutions had become more powerful than elected governments.

“Central bankers are increasingly under pressure to solve all sorts of problems that extend way beyond monetary policy. After Brexit, everyone turned immediately to the central banks and relied on us to calm the waves and give politics the time to sort itself out.

“The financial crisis and politicians’ indecisiveness have pushed us into a new role, and we allowed it to happen. As a result, we intervene ever more deeply in individual markets and now have a problematic proximity to financial policy,” Weidmann said, pointing to the ECB’s role within the troika – alongside the EU and the IMF – during the Greece debt crisis".

I love some of these comments. It's always about how the UK will be adversely affected, while completely ignoring the fact that the Markets seem to be seeing things completely differently.......
 
The real headlines should have documented the latest EU summit - it was supposed to discuss our brexit, and all they did was bitch with each otherlol
you think the financial world will move to where everything is financed in the doomed Euro :D:D
 
I think the Telegraph supported the Remain vote......you do actually remember that the Conservative Government wanted to remain, yes.........But don't let your natural bias get in the way......

The conservative government that had 138 of the 156 mps that wanted to leave?

Talk of natural bias getting in the way is massively ironic with some of the mistruths that continued to get peddled in this thread
 
The conservative government that had 138 of the 156 mps that wanted to leave?

Talk of natural bias getting in the way is massively ironic with some of the mistruths that continued to get peddled in this thread

So less than half the conservative MP's wanted to leave. The Government, Conservative, was promoting Remain and that was the UK Government's official position....did you not see the fancy brochure delivered to every home on it's behalf.......Again you try to use some spurious numbers to prove a failing point......
 
So less than half the conservative MP's wanted to leave. The Government, Conservative, was promoting Remain and that was the UK Government's official position....did you not see the fancy brochure delivered to every home on it's behalf.......Again you try to use some spurious numbers to prove a failing point......

Not really just that the tories made up a larger proportion of the leave campaign than the remain.

I'm not sure what the "failing point" is considering the Telegraph declared for the leave vote in the week of the referendum anyway which totally refutes your original post on the subject anyway
 
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