Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Blues Harp]

It's a state. Any attempts to provide a degree of sympathy to the Tories tends to evaporate when you have toads like Gove suggesting that we'll continue to have access to free healthcare and programs like Erasmus going forward, when he knows full well they will end on January 1st.

More importantly, why does Gove feel the need to continue to lie?
Patronising pratt.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Weeeee

 

[Bruce Wayne]

More importantly, why does Gove feel the need to continue to lie?
Patronising pratt.

Because what Brexit actually is is a bit [Poor language removed]?

 

[tsubaki]

If the answer is no deal, I hope Starmer immediately moves for a vote of no confidence - he’ll probably lose, but the point that they have no mandate whatsoever for this must be made.

 

[arminisgod]

A deliberate mess. No deal has no mandate whatsoever, yet the tiny % of people who want it might well force it on everyone else.

apart from the fact No deal was the default option that 52% of the voters voted for

 

[Prevenger17]

apart from the fact No deal was the default option that 52% of the voters voted for

If the 52% voted for what's happening right now, they're fairly 'kin thick tbf

 

[tsubaki]

apart from the fact No deal was the default option that 52% of the voters voted for

no it wasn’t

 

[davek]

It has a feel of both sides creating windmill for Johnson to tilt at and proclaim he's slain the giant.

Particularly the ratchet clause stuff about unilateral punishment - seems designed purely to create a demon to slay.

I think we saw last night the likely route to a deal: the UK spinning that the EU earlier agreed to a level playing field arrangement that involved the UK giving assurances that they wouldn't break existing regulations on standards (which would have been acceptable to the UK) but that the EU 'reneged' on that and insisted the UK must enact future trading norms adopted by the EU. I dont think that's what the EU were insisting on and therein lies the possibility of spinning that the EU 'blinked first' when they clarify on the matter.

 

[arminisgod]

no it wasn’t

yes it was. 52% voted to leave. A deal wasn't on the voting paper.

 

[summerisle]

All hail William the Conqueror.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I think we saw last night the likely route to a deal: the UK spinning that the EU earlier agreed to a level playing field arrangement that involved the UK giving assurances that they wouldn't break existing regulations on standards (which would have been acceptable to the UK) but that the EU 'reneged' on that and insisted the UK must enact future trading norms adopted by the EU. I dont think that's what the EU were insisting on and therein lies the possibility of spinning that the EU 'blinked first' when they clarify on the matter.

Exactly

 

[Moomin]

yes it was. 52% voted to leave. A deal wasn't on the voting paper.

They said a deal would be easy.

They also said a lot of other stuff that was complete lies as well.

 

[tsubaki]

yes it was. 52% voted to leave. A deal wasn't on the voting paper.

no deal wasn’t either

 

[Haydn]

The latest message from the EU on the emergency arrangements they will apply in the case of no deal, just pushes our world beating negotiators further into the tight corner they built for themselves. It's as if one side has really thought this through and planned their moves ready for all eventualities and the other side just went out on the lash instead. I thought this was super.... But dig deeper, and the EU olive branch is dependent on the UK accepting key terms, including agreements on the increasingly famous "level playing field" - the very subject which is proving so divisive in the seemingly deadlocked trade talks. Checkmate. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55259144

 

[Jebus_lives]

yes it was. 52% voted to leave. A deal wasn't on the voting paper.

Not sure how you make the leap that 52% of people voted for 'no deal'.

It may have been the consequence of a failure to negotiate, but it wasn't the 'default' option - certainly not in intention.