Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

They will have to negotiate if they want a trade deal with the UK. Brinkmanship will take place on both sides, but you seem convinced that they will have no problem in bullying us into accepting anything they want. I disagree, I believe the negotiations will be complex and will not just consist of the EU telling us what is going to happen. We aren't obliged to accept anything that they demand, and neither are they. Negotiations will have to take place.

You've swallowed the bluster. They'll want a deal with the U.K. but they are the collective, we are the minnow in comparison , our leaving the current arrangement is time bound once article 50 is triggered, and we have far more to lose as a nation than the individual countries who will sit the other side of the table as part of the collective. Our position is piss weak.

 

[Dymak]

You've swallowed the bluster. They'll want a deal with the U.K. but they are the collective, we are the minnow in comparison , our leaving the current arrangement is time bound once article 50 is triggered, and we have far more to lose as a nation than the individual countries who will sit the other side of the table as part of the collective. Our position is piss weak.

Then nothing will change, and everything will carry on as before.

We will see.

 

[peteblue]

I'm sure you must have bunked off half of your economics lessons - commodity prices are usually $ denominated, and as a result producer output prices rise, for example by 0.8% last month alone in the UK. That means margins are being squeezed, not good for corporate UK nor the Chancellor.

Indeed, and you must of missed the second half which explained that even if margins are reduced, if revenues increase then so do profits......

 

[peteblue]

May wants to volley "Brexit means Brexit" into the long grass.

Davis and Fox are a pair of clueless blurts who are giving it large about how the UK would be "Ok with tariffs" when the reality is that they know we'd be royally goosed with tariffs for a whole host of reasons, not least our long term attractiveness to global business looking for a European manufacturing base to feed the European market. It's nothing more than bluster to give the impression that we've actually got a negotiating position that's one of strength, when the reality is, we need access to the free market and the only way we're ever going to get it, is to retain free movement. They know, the EU knows it, we bleeding know it. The whole thing is absolute cobblers, and he's going to come back from Brussels with a bloody nose.

You'd have come back with a piece of paper........

 

[peteblue]

Only they don't.

They aren't the ones who are leaving the collective trade agreement. If the UK doesn't reach agreement within 2 years we'll go to WTO tariffs. The idea that the EU will be cowering in their boots at that prospect is laughable, we're going into these negotiations 'all in' with a pair of bleeding 2's.

Dear me, have you ever negotiated anything in your life or do you just roll over and accept what the bigger lad says.....

 

[The Esk]

Indeed, and you must of missed the second half which explained that even if margins are reduced, if revenues increase then so do profits......

Two big assumptions there Pete, (i) we're going to sell more out of the EU than in it, and (ii) that the excess capacity exists to produce more to sell.

Not sure of either to be honest.

 

[peteblue]

You've swallowed the bluster. They'll want a deal with the U.K. but they are the collective, we are the minnow in comparison , our leaving the current arrangement is time bound once article 50 is triggered, and we have far more to lose as a nation than the individual countries who will sit the other side of the table as part of the collective. Our position is piss weak.

And you my friend are a coward who would just roll over. Let's examine just one Country to whom I have referred and who just happens to be the biggest voice in Europe. Germany has a Trade surplus with the USA of €54Bn, in second place with the Uk they have a trade surplus of €51Bn, in third place is France where Germany has a trade surplus of €36Bn...everyone else is €20Bn and below......now tell me that Germany will not do a deal with the UK........

 

[Joey66]

I can't be arsed doing any swotting up, but having read what you have written your reference relates to the EU agreeing to do what is in their best interests, as you would expect them to. But that doesn't mean they will always get what they want, they are going to have to negotiate with Britain. Britain will not be under any obligation to accept what the EU wants and vice-versa for the EU. They will have to negotiate.

He likes to Google!

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Then nothing will change, and everything will carry on as before.

We will see.

No it won't I suggest you read up on the actual process mate.

 

[The Esk]

And you my friend are a coward who would just roll over. Let's examine just one Country to whom I have referred and who just happens to be the biggest voice in Europe. Germany has a Trade surplus with the USA of €54Bn, in second place with the Uk they have a trade surplus of €51Bn, in third place is France where Germany has a trade surplus of €36Bn...everyone else is €20Bn and below......now tell me that Germany will not do a deal with the UK........

You seem to forget Pete that Germany cannot do a deal with the UK, it can only do a deal as a member of the EU. This was one of the principles the Brexit campaign were arguing against.

 

[peteblue]

Two big assumptions there Pete, (i) we're going to sell more out of the EU than in it, and (ii) that the excess capacity exists to produce more to sell.

Not sure of either to be honest.

We have two years to organise ourselves. Plenty of time for any organisation to get ready. Countries are lining up and companies will put their plans in place. You will notice that in spite of all the threats and warnings, companies have not cut back their investments and we are not heading into a recession.......indeed most analysts are now saying that our growth with continue to exceed that of the Eu........

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

And you my friend are a coward who would just roll over. Let's examine just one Country to whom I have referred and who just happens to be the biggest voice in Europe. Germany has a Trade surplus with the USA of €54Bn, in second place with the Uk they have a trade surplus of €51Bn, in third place is France where Germany has a trade surplus of €36Bn...everyone else is €20Bn and below......now tell me that Germany will not do a deal with the UK........

A coward?

I've heard a number of auld Leave duffers chuck that one about. Go wang yourself in the nearest bin Pete.

 

[Joey66]

And you my friend are a coward who would just roll over. Let's examine just one Country to whom I have referred and who just happens to be the biggest voice in Europe. Germany has a Trade surplus with the USA of €54Bn, in second place with the Uk they have a trade surplus of €51Bn, in third place is France where Germany has a trade surplus of €36Bn...everyone else is €20Bn and below......now tell me that Germany will not do a deal with the UK........

Bruce post links on other countries probably weak as pliss, this is the The UK 5 th largest economy the EU can posture all they want Peter is correct they will lose more than us a settlement will be made oh in poker you do not show your hand to your opponents till the deals done!

 

[peteblue]

You seem to forget Pete that Germany cannot do a deal with the UK, it can only do a deal as a member of the EU. This was one of the principles the Brexit campaign were arguing against.

If you believe for even one millisecond that Germany will not force through a deal, and France as well, then both the UK and the EU are well and truly screwed. When the half million car workers in Germany see their jobs disappearing, deals will be done or Germany will no longer be in the Eu........

 

[Joey66]

A coward?

I've heard a number of auld Leave duffers chuck that one about. Go wang yourself in the nearest bin Pete.

No need to abuse a poster you rant away with your nose bleeds just accept Brexit will happen tantrums on here will not change anything!
Peter puts valid arguments over no need for it IMO!