Current Affairs EU In or Out

[roydo]

My fear is

And that is the problem. Fear an EU army? There isnt one ffs.

Fear immigration? Read a different paper.

 

[Prevenger17]

Lol at Pete fearing an EU army

 

[Amw79]

My fear is that an EU army would eventually be directed by Brussels. The EU has a certain arrogance about it, where jumped up nonentities from Luxembourg and Belgium push ever eastwards (Ukraine), and will eventually push up against Russia. NATO is effectively non political, it’s an alliance, an Eu army would not be so. NATO is successful at doing what it was set up to do and provides a nuclear shield to its members and does so with the USA and Canada. I do not trust the EU to do similar. They will create issues with Russia and then we will all be dragged into it. I want nothing to do with any EU led Army....

Ok, so your concern, is of us being roped into political / military expansion, contrary to our domestic agenda, for want of a better phrase.

It’s interesting that your concern, seems to comes from a perception of EU arrogance, or a mistrust of the EU in general.

Not gonna disagree with you here, as it’s too early for an argument, but I appreciate the understanding of your view.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

It's an utter nonsense, and wrong on various levels. Regarding "illegal" immigration, there is currently no legal way for people to claim asylum, which is why so many make such a dangerous journey. People also forget that those making the journey are nearly all the middle class from the country they're fleeing. They're the people just like us, as the poor in those countries don't have the money for it. You would think we would move heaven and earth to accommodate people who themselves are moving heaven and earth to come to this country, but instead we want to treat them like they're sub-human. It's frankly a disgrace. That it's being instigated by a woman whose parents were fortunate enough to leave Uganda before Idi Amin started to ethnically cleanse people of their ethnicity makes it even more staggering.

Re migration more generally, there is nary an actual study into the topic that shows that migration is anything but a boon. It helps innovation, it helps employment, it helps tax revenues. Heck, even "illegal" migration in America has been shown to benefit all of those things, and there's no corresponding rise in crime or social breakdown or any of the things right-wing arseholes like to suggest. We're becoming a global laughing stock.

How any supposedly compassionate individual can be happy with the constant demonisation of people (vulnerable and otherwise) from other countries Is beyond me. Patel is beyond odious. Well in lads.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Lol at Pete fearing an EU army

One of my favourites. Especially after events like Iraq where the Eu largely tried stopping us from illegally invading places

 

[Prevenger17]

One of my favourites. Especially after events like Iraq where the Eu largely tried stopping us from illegally invading places

I always go back to it, but this is the man who wanted the US to nuke Iran. I'd love to live in his head for a day and experience global politics as he sees it

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I always go back to it, but this is the man who wanted the US to nuke Iran. I'd love to live in his head for a day and experience global politics as he sees it

Hahaha. I forgot about that.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Juxtaposed with

 

[roydo]

Points based system, sommet, mumbles, damn EU.

 

[Chewbacca]

It’s not a racist policy though, oh no, and don’t you dare suggest it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Points based system, sommet, mumbles, damn EU.

And it's widely accepted now that the decision by Germany to accept refugees has now been a great success, despite all the racist scaremongering about this, that, and the other.

 

[roydo]

And it's widely accepted now that the decision by Germany to accept refugees has now been a great success, despite all the racist scaremongering about this, that, and the other.

As you well know, anyone who has spent any time in hospital will concur.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

As you well know, anyone who has spent any time in hospital will concur.

She's a [Poor language removed] idiot mate. There's a video going round of her giving a speech talking about the importance of free markets. Overlooking the fact that regulating something as fundamental as the movement of people is miles from that small government image, companies and universities around the world complain about restrictive immigration policies starving them of the talent they need to thrive, yet here she is [Poor language removed] boasting about it. When someone is so shorn of both intellect and common sense, yet so full of ambition, it's an awful combination.

 

[Jebus_lives]

And it's widely accepted now that the decision by Germany to accept refugees has now been a great success, despite all the racist scaremongering about this, that, and the other.

Nonesense Bruce. It will damage them long term and erode the culture of Germany.

They really should take a leaf from our book.

End all this rule by Brussels.

• Stop/reduce immigration
• Make Germany for the Germans
• Make it easier for Germans to make German Rules favouring Germans
• Abolish human rights
• Attack the Constitution
• Put more power in the hands of the executive
• Create a idea of the country focussed around traditional values and nostalgia

They really should be thinking 'Deutschland uber alles'.