I think he's confusing his opinion with facts.
Current Affairs EU In or Out
- Thread starter micknick
- Start date
- Status
It’s quite a common problem these days
Tea_drinker
Player Valuation: £15m
Another resignation today. The tories wont mind though, they'll must give one of cummings dodgy mates a ring.
For you maybe, but as the Vanderbilt study clearly showed, taking back control for a great many conservatives means taking back control from immigrants and ethnic minorities, who they feel have too much influence on "their" society. We prattle on about economic matters in here, but Brexit is an inherently social endeavour for most of its backers, who are inherently socially conservative. In many ways, a failing of the remain campaign was its focus on economic matters, when that wasn't what was important to most leave voters.
dead_soft
Player Valuation: £35m
It's a pretty crappy way to govern or to try and debate isn't it?
'Have faith in a country that has not shown anything to have faith in it for'
Might be time to stop keeping your eyes shut and telling the mean people to stop saying mean things about the lovely country?
random
Player Valuation: £15m
craig oliver in his book unleashing demons said that the remain campaign had no answer to the immigration situation that the leave campaign was focusing on.
dead_soft
Player Valuation: £35m
As mentioned earlier, they also appear so keen to "take back control" from the foreigners and ethnic minorities they feel have excessive influence on political life that they're happy to run roughshod over the democracy that was apparently so important for them to do so. Not that Brexit was in any way related to migration of course
Yeah, it becomes clearer and clearer that there's a whole host of words that have lost any of their original meaning within the debates as these people have been played by those with vested interests. They become dog whistle words divorced of reality
'democracy'
'take back control'
'the elite'
'Liberal elite'
'Mainstream media'
'Cultural Marxism'
They are all ways to hide bigoted and undemocratic views. They allow you to sound okay when you say them and to start encouraging people who'd shy away from 'send em back' but it's all about making us accept racism and bigotry as part of our everyday landscape and political discussion. And, of course, allows people to say, 'oh but we're not like that' just because we aren't daubing stuff on doors anymore. The language isn't accidental.
It’s a simpler narrative to promote and had been used by total scum to further their own agendas for centuries.
Bishop Thumpety-Thump
Player Valuation: £20m
The whole leave campaign and vote was driven by xenophobia. I’d feel ashamed to be any part of it.
Tea_drinker
Player Valuation: £15m
"Theres just too many of them now", was an often heard excuse/reason even from fairly left wing people I knew who voted leave. It's obvious what happened.
Surely a simple ‘it doesn’t exist’ would suffice.
Because so much of it was based on lies. How do you tackle something when the very act of using facts is rendered impotent by people who are pandering to base fears and prejudice?
It's not as easy when so much work was put into undermining universities and all of those who might actually provide facts for any situation, not only as inaccurate and unreliable, but the very people who have been putting you down for ages.
It’s frustrating really because when you look at it, the cities with the highest immigration figures tended to vote remain. London has a 25% non U.K. born population and represents around a 3rd of all immigrants in the U.K. it voted 70% remain.
Of the 8 largest cities in the U.K., 5 voted remain. of the ones that voted leave, only Birmingham had a non U.K. population greater than the national average (22% v 15% National average). The other 2 had a population under 10%.
Basically it wasn’t immigration that was the problem. It was fear.
But that’s hard to sell.
- Status