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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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Surely you can just make the decision not to eat any chicken?
So I should give up eating chicken to guarantee I avoid it?

Sorry but what?

It’s really simple imo, who in their right mind would possibly actively encourage a lowering of our food standards in order to accommodate this for the benefit of another nation?

What was that mantra they used again, a rule maker and not a rule taker, wasn’t it?

We desperately needed to leave the EU because of their rules apparently (rules we voted for in 95% of cases) yet here we are advocating bending over to allow inferior US products enter our market. Oh how we cheered at this amazing new freedom, the sunlit uplands are ours!
 
So I should give up eating chicken to guarantee I avoid it?

Sorry but what?

It’s really simple imo, who in their right mind would possibly actively encourage a lowering of our food standards in order to accommodate this for the benefit of another nation?

What was that mantra they used again, a rule maker and not a rule taker, wasn’t it?

We desperately needed to leave the EU because of their rules apparently (rules we voted for in 95% of cases) yet here we are advocating bending over to allow inferior US products enter our market. Oh how we cheered at this amazing new freedom, the sunlit uplands are ours!
I agree with you about the EU. My point is if people dont buy and eat chlorinated chicken, then they wont try to sell it.
 
Ok that was a silly and flippant answer. What I mean is that I view anything that diminishes people working together and decreases peoples life opportunities is a stupid idea.

I was brought up working class in Liverpool but was able to use freedom of movement to expand my career and life experiences in amazing ways, living and working in numerous countries.

I'm a libertarian by nature and lifestyle (not in the right wing economic way) so for me anything that builds borders and distance between people is annoying and dumb.

On a more societal level, we havent seen the good burghers of Blackburn etc rushing to pick fruit for minimum wage have we?

One could perhaps callously add that owing to the virus a lot of brexit voters have now been wiped out due to their age anyway. Therefore the youth have not only had to suffer in an attempt to save the aged and sick over the past few months but will also suffer due to the same aged and sick voting for Brexit (let's be honest).

I see no sense to it at all. But then I'm not carving up the new contracts to family and friends.

In four and a half years the people of the U.K. can vote Boris Johnson out of office. The people of the U.K. could not vote Juncker out of office. The U.K. has been a net contributor to the EU/EEC/CM since it joined. The EU continues to sell far more to the U.K. than the U.K. sells to the EU. The EU is still moving irreversibly, step by pernicious step, into becoming the USE. It seeks to be ‘the big player’ with its own EU army, sucking in more Eastern countries, none of whom have any understanding or commonality with each other, while putting Russia under more and more pressure. For a long time on here, Remainers kept saying that the U.K. is a small country, and while that is not quite correct in many respects I quite like the idea of the U.K. just being a country willing to work with any other, developing its own trade, without having to ask another 27 countries to agree. I also prefer not to have our military sucked into any EU army. The U.K. is a decent size, has a good economy, is friends with most countries around the world, is able to defend itself and does not need another level of politicians in Brussels dictating our future...we can stand on our own two feet.

I saw sense in joining the Common Market and voted to remain in it. Neither you nor I voted for the EU. If it was still an economic grouping I would still vote to remain, but it isn’t, it’s a political project of which I want no part for myself nor my family. In the four years since we voted I have seen nothing to suggest we made the wrong decision and indeed have only seen my views reinforced by the way the EU is operating and dealing in a high handed manner with a former member......
 
Where’s the benefit to anyone in this country of allowing this low quality [Poor language removed] into our food chain mate?

It has nothing to do with low quality. I read that even the EU accept that the quality Is not the issue as lots of things are chlorinated. The issue is the way the chickens are raised In the USA before chlorination. Perhaps @RAFUH or @LinekersLegs can testify one way or the other to the quality of the chicken. I’ve never noticed a difference in the past and my son who lives in the USA says he hasn’t either. I’m not really bothered one way or the other, but you seem to be raising this as if it’s some form of demonic food......
 
It has nothing to do with low quality. I read that even the EU accept that the quality Is not the issue as lots of things are chlorinated. The issue is the way the chickens are raised In the USA before chlorination. Perhaps @RAFUH or @LinekersLegs can testify one way or the other to the quality of the chicken. I’ve never noticed a difference in the past and my son who lives in the USA says he hasn’t either. I’m not really bothered one way or the other, but you seem to be raising this as if it’s some form of demonic food......

that’s the issue, the poor quality of how they’re raised with high levels of bacterial infections. The chlorination process is used to kill all this

However, the majority of USA meat products is also low standard, with growth hormones being widely used to get more bang for their buck. The EU has stringent controls on veterinarian residues as well, and rightly so
 
In four and a half years the people of the U.K. can vote Boris Johnson out of office. The people of the U.K. could not vote Juncker out of office. The U.K. has been a net contributor to the EU/EEC/CM since it joined. The EU continues to sell far more to the U.K. than the U.K. sells to the EU. The EU is still moving irreversibly, step by pernicious step, into becoming the USE. It seeks to be ‘the big player’ with its own EU army, sucking in more Eastern countries, none of whom have any understanding or commonality with each other, while putting Russia under more and more pressure. For a long time on here, Remainers kept saying that the U.K. is a small country, and while that is not quite correct in many respects I quite like the idea of the U.K. just being a country willing to work with any other, developing its own trade, without having to ask another 27 countries to agree. I also prefer not to have our military sucked into any EU army. The U.K. is a decent size, has a good economy, is friends with most countries around the world, is able to defend itself and does not need another level of politicians in Brussels dictating our future...we can stand on our own two feet.

I saw sense in joining the Common Market and voted to remain in it. Neither you nor I voted for the EU. If it was still an economic grouping I would still vote to remain, but it isn’t, it’s a political project of which I want no part for myself nor my family. In the four years since we voted I have seen nothing to suggest we made the wrong decision and indeed have only seen my views reinforced by the way the EU is operating and dealing in a high handed manner with a former member......

Honestly pete I congratulate you for recycling so much waste as you have in this post.
 
In four and a half years the people of the U.K. can vote Boris Johnson out of office. The people of the U.K. could not vote Juncker out of office. The U.K. has been a net contributor to the EU/EEC/CM since it joined. The EU continues to sell far more to the U.K. than the U.K. sells to the EU. The EU is still moving irreversibly, step by pernicious step, into becoming the USE. It seeks to be ‘the big player’ with its own EU army, sucking in more Eastern countries, none of whom have any understanding or commonality with each other, while putting Russia under more and more pressure. For a long time on here, Remainers kept saying that the U.K. is a small country, and while that is not quite correct in many respects I quite like the idea of the U.K. just being a country willing to work with any other, developing its own trade, without having to ask another 27 countries to agree. I also prefer not to have our military sucked into any EU army. The U.K. is a decent size, has a good economy, is friends with most countries around the world, is able to defend itself and does not need another level of politicians in Brussels dictating our future...we can stand on our own two feet.

I saw sense in joining the Common Market and voted to remain in it. Neither you nor I voted for the EU. If it was still an economic grouping I would still vote to remain, but it isn’t, it’s a political project of which I want no part for myself nor my family. In the four years since we voted I have seen nothing to suggest we made the wrong decision and indeed have only seen my views reinforced by the way the EU is operating and dealing in a high handed manner with a former member......
I understand your economic argument and they make sense if the uk was gonna be fair and just to it's own people on the back of brexit but that's unlikely.

I look at things from a bigger cultural and progressive view. Do you know for example that if a band from the uk wants to play a show in the eu after brexit they will have to stump up £1000 for each instrument they take with them? Its madness.
 
It has nothing to do with low quality. I read that even the EU accept that the quality Is not the issue as lots of things are chlorinated. The issue is the way the chickens are raised In the USA before chlorination. Perhaps @RAFUH or @LinekersLegs can testify one way or the other to the quality of the chicken. I’ve never noticed a difference in the past and my son who lives in the USA says he hasn’t either. I’m not really bothered one way or the other, but you seem to be raising this as if it’s some form of demonic food......
The issue, from a farming perspective is that the ability to produce chickens at cheaper less humane, way is advantageous to US farmers whereas Currently, the import of chlroine washed chicken is banned in the UK (and EU).

As I'm sure you're aware, it would seem the UK idea would be to lift that ban and then as part of a FTA with the US, lower tariffs on just the chicken which isn't chlorine treated. So the cost advantages would be eliminated.

Will the US go for that, I doubt it, I expect they'll push for a lift of the UK ban on chlorinated chicken. Which, by extension, reduced how humanely we grow them.

It's ultimately a lowering of standards in one way or another.
 
1pm press release from Government.

From Jan 1st we will have left the EU, there will be no extension.

However, there’ll be a 3 stage approach to ease the pressure on businesses on ports.

stage 1 - Jan
Stage 2 - April
Stage 3 - jul

We will be fully out with our full controls by July 2021
 
1pm press release from Government.

From Jan 1st we will have left the EU, there will be no extension.

However, there’ll be a 3 stage approach to ease the pressure on businesses on ports.

stage 1 - Jan
Stage 2 - April
Stage 3 - jul

We will be fully out with our full controls by July 2021

perhaps this explains why they are so desperate to ramp up division and public order powers
 
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