Current Affairs EU In or Out

[gonetomorrow]

I reckon the web's to blame.

The genie is out of the bottle and it's crapping everywhere.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Cambridge have just created a new centre for democracy (or somesuch name), and they published a paper recently highlighting the parlous state of democracy across the west. It's as low as it's ever been. Politicians should own that, but it seems as long as they're personally positioned at the trough they don't really care. Public servants they most definitely are not any more.

They remind me more and more of Apprentice candidates, full of shine, bullshit and bluster, and generally out for themselves, with a clear comfort with selling their granny to gain personal success.

I mean, I agree, but we’ve seen on here for example, multiple times, that people are so entrenched in their ideology, or their team, that they seem to accept or ignore their misdemeanours. Politicians are meant to be held to account at the ballot box and the people have voted in this absolute whopper.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This reminds me of the logic posted on here yesterday, with Patel saying that despite capital punishment clearly killing innocent people, this evidence is irrelevant because she believes it would be a good deterrent. Cretins. Utter cretins.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I mean, I agree, but we’ve seen on here for example, multiple times, that people are so entrenched in their ideology, or their team, that they seem to accept or ignore their misdemeanours. Politicians are meant to be held to account at the ballot box and the people have voted in this absolute whopper.

Johnson could shoot Joey and he'd still support him you mean?

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

And another outed Tommy Robinson supporter urging us to shut the borders. The show really has no credibility (if it ever did)

Yeah but the BBC is SO left wing, it's a Marxist mouthpiece, didn't you know?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Johnson could shoot Joey and he'd still support him you mean?

As long as he promised to bring back salt

 

[jaycee]

As long as he promised to bring back salt

A sort of rub salt in the wound moment? Poor Joseph,everybody is taking shots at him

 

[tsubaki]

Something needs to change. Standards are so low that nothing seems to matter anymore. A lot is to do with the internet, and so much nonsense and conspiracy flying around. People can believe whatever they choose, even in the face of overwhelming, contradictory evidence.
Look at the chequered past of our PM. He shouldn’t have even been an MP with his charge sheet

TBF it’s nothing to do with the internet, and only tangentially related to conspiracy theories. Johnson is a product of modern journalism, in which opinion and gossip is so far ahead (in terms of importance, career prospects and remuneration) than actually finding out the truth is. Given that they cite them needing to find out truths as the reason why they should be held to a different standard than the rest of us, this is an unsustainable situation.

Should it be any wonder that millions of pepole think the sun shines out of his fundament when that’s all many of the papers say about him, or that millions more are drawn to beliefs in conspiracy theories when what the media pumps out is demonstrably and often knowingly false on such a regular basis?

Social media does bear a lot of the blame for the state the West is in now, but it’s only about 10% as much to blame as the traditional media are. Until the likes of Piers Morgan, Hopkins and the politicians acting as journalists (like Harry Cole, Guido and the rest of his mates) are thrown out, the trade of journalism and the country will keep getting worse.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

TBF it’s nothing to do with the internet, and only tangentially related to conspiracy theories. Johnson is a product of modern journalism, in which opinion and gossip is so far ahead (in terms of importance, career prospects and remuneration) than actually finding out the truth is. Given that they cite them needing to find out truths as the reason why they should be held to a different standard than the rest of us, this is an unsustainable situation.

Should it be any wonder that millions of pepole think the sun shines out of his fundament when that’s all many of the papers say about him, or that millions more are drawn to beliefs in conspiracy theories when what the media pumps out is demonstrably and often knowingly false on such a regular basis?

Social media does bear a lot of the blame for the state the West is in now, but it’s only about 10% as much to blame as the traditional media are. Until the likes of Piers Morgan, Hopkins and the politicians acting as journalists (like Harry Cole, Guido and the rest of his mates) are thrown out, the trade of journalism and the country will keep getting worse.

I don’t know. I think you’re underestimating the impact it’s had. The traditional media has always been full of lurid gossip and falsities as long as I can remember. Feel like something has tangibly changed in the last 15 years or so and I associate a lot of that with people reading and watching unsubstantiated BS online. At a guess, people now get read more information on a screen than a paper.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[sbbefc]

I can see Patel becoming prime minister in future. Frightening.

 

[peteblue]

Some woman on Question Time last night blamed the recent floods on the EU not dredging the rivers. Ffs. Nation of thickos.

EU Environmental laws have apparently had the effect of reducing the dredging of rivers within the U.K.. The treatment and disposal of silt, which has been classified as waste therefore carries additional costs as a result. It may be unfair to say that the EU is to blame for not dredging rivers, but there is reason that EU environmental laws, if properly applied, as we always do, have helped to create an environment that facilitates flooding. Freedom from EU environmental directives will allow a more sensible approach to the dredging of rivers and the disposal of the silt......

 

[DanEFC92]

I can see Patel becoming prime minister in future. Frightening.

Name the biggest ghoul you can think of and chances are this knobhead country will vote them in.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Jebus_lives]

EU Environmental laws have apparently had the effect of reducing the dredging of rivers within the U.K.. The treatment and disposal of silt, which has been classified as waste therefore carries additional costs as a result. It may be unfair to say that the EU is to blame for not dredging rivers, but there is reason that EU environmental laws, if properly applied, as we always do, have helped to create an environment that facilitates flooding. Freedom from EU environmental directives will allow a more sensible approach to the dredging of rivers and the disposal of the silt......

I've heard from a friend of a friend, that maybe this thing is caused by something, which I'm totally not sure about, and I might be totally wrong, but I think that they've definitely had some impact so I think we shouldn't do them anymore and I'm glad we won't in future.