If we we a much smaller country with far less influence you can't be so sure.
The EU was in part created to create an economy on par with the US.
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If we we a much smaller country with far less influence you can't be so sure.
The EU was in part created to create an economy on par with the US.
The EU was born from the EEC trading block as a political parliament governed by beurocrats, which took it into its own currency the Euro thank goodness we did not go in that, and thank God one day we will leave, and just use it as a trading block with much reduced fees, and have the power in the WTO to trade without EU rules!
lolAsk Greece, Itay, and Spain if they enjoy the EU!
bobbydigital
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You harassed me yesterday to present support. I present support accompanied by evidence from three organisations (PwC, LSE and Oxford) who have clearly researched the economic issues thoroughly. You then dismiss them and go on to reaffirm how you use rag tabloids as evidence because they contain snippets of truth. Surely you can see a little bit of a problem with that.
I get that you are a smart guy and I'm not trying to "show my superiority" by raising points, but if you are simply going to sit there and dismiss every pro EU point as wrong simply because they are made by someone pro EU, there is not much point in debating with you.
I can happily admit that the ability to make our own trade deals is a massive plus of leaving the EU as you have said earlier. It is one element of "the big picture" which is worth discussing further. To be honest though, it's been done to death and at this point of time I'm more interested in discussing the way forward and how we will achieve these deals including the deal we need with the EU (funnily enough there are some good articles on this at the CER website but I'm not going to dare suggest you visit there again).
bobbydigital
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For anyone else interested. Here is an interesting article
https://www.cer.org.uk/insights/theresa-may-and-her-six-pack-difficult-deals
(Disclaimer: The Centre for European Reform is an independent think-tank devoted to making the EU work better, and strengthening its role in the world. They are pro-European but not uncritical.)
https://www.cer.org.uk/insights/theresa-may-and-her-six-pack-difficult-deals
(Disclaimer: The Centre for European Reform is an independent think-tank devoted to making the EU work better, and strengthening its role in the world. They are pro-European but not uncritical.)
Have you been Googling again Pete talks sense IMO!
I looked at your link yes there are some valid points, but in the article it's comparing Apples with Pears - Every country is different there is no set model the EU needs us more than we need them in the long term future, all of things were doom and gloom if we did not join the Euro, never happened!
bobbydigital
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I apologise for researching the effects of a decision and considering detailed evidence when making a decision.
Maybe you should try using google, then you could figure out where Albania is, what NATO stands for and who founded it. Might help your arguments out IMO!
My primary point is that it's silly to compare and say the US wouldn't accept joining the EU. Of course we wouldn't. We have the largest economy on the planet and have no need to be part of a greater collective economically. It's definitely not an apples to apples comparison.
Combined the EU is the second largest economy...and will remain the second largest with or without you.
2nd Largest economy about to go down the pan!
magicjuan
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A measured response, you don't belong here on these boards
In regards to American history, it is mainly the ushering in of a free liberal market but underpinned with the bluster, pomp and unashamed profiteering that was espoused by America as the flag bearer for western capitalism v the ideals of the alleged communist bloc. History is written by the victors.
I look between the lines of the US, at the corporate political influence, the buying of influence and decision making. Don't get me wrong, the European west is no different now, but there is no subtlety it is flagrant in its disregard for the human cost, not just within the west but globally too.
We are taught, post independence, in a pro US manner, more learn differently of alternative histories these days as the official narrative is patently propaganda, though some refuse to afmit their own nation's complicity.
The world save for the obvious countries like Russia, China etc, is 'America', wether they like it or not, because America is at the forefront of western globalisation in the search for profit. It's symbolic, unfortunately the american peoples become tarnished ax a result, unfortunately as I say, and unfairly too.
magicjuan
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That is the inevitable consequence of globalisation, the EU wants to mimic the US, both in economic terms and also with ambitions to have a single governance and all that entails.
Corporations compete by swallowing competitors and growing, trading blocks and larger economies are doing similar, question is, what is the end point?
The United States of Earth
magicjuan
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In who's vision and on what terms? The human race doesn't share enough tolerance as of yet, only after some hollywood style disaster or threat would it recognise its commonalities and put aside its bigotry for mutual preservation. Take religion away from the scenario and we'd be half way there.
I agree that we are not ready as a species for that...but that would be the ultimate goal of globalization.
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