Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

Like above, if FT believe it, it should be good enough for the rest of us.

The BBC thought Matt Hancock had been hung, drawn and quartered outside Leeds General.

 

[dholliday]

To all intents and purposes the status quo will remain trade with europe will continue virtually unhindered and tight ass prozzies from eastern europe will always find a warm welcome here. People are getting wound up about very little

Very poor comment.

Here in Germany, Eastern European women who fall prey to the prostitution industry are vulnerable victims who require support. It's a far cry from the small handful of 'empowered' german women who willingly sell their bodies. It's tantamount to slavery what's happening to them. No room for jokes there, in my view.

 

[Methuselah]

He didn't say that. He actually said:

'The most puzzling development in modern politics is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.'

Nothing to do with the EU.

He didn't say that. He actually said:

'The most puzzling development in modern politics is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.'

Nothing to do with the EU.

Er, he was referring to the EU.

 

[brigadier]

i can tell you many Germans are getting very uneasy by the EU's power-grab over nations. Von der Leyen was a failed national politician yet she's now effectively in charge of not just German policy, but EU-policy. The people would never have voted her in to such a position, yet there she is.

This new green deal she's charged ahead with will have many uncomfortable side-effects for the average citizen, in form from higher taxes, more complicated bureaucracy and myriad inconveniences. All in the name of climate-hysteria (in reality, it's all in the name of control and money).

This is also the same Von der Leyen who is pushing for an EU army to replace national armees.

If Germany had a Dexit referendum, they would vote OUT a lot more than 52/48. The EU is becoming a modern USSR. Many praise the Brits for having the freedom to choose.

Maybe some consolation for Remainers...

Never heard anyone here who wants out mention anything like that, all i hear is immigrants this and that, I could understand if that was the argument and a good argument it is.

 

[dholliday]

Never heard anyone here who wants out mention anything like that, all i hear is immigrants this and that, I could understand if that was the argument and a good argument it is.

i have liberal leftie friends who voted Brexit...they're very much on the liberal/progressive side of things when it comes to migration and diversity. They voted OUT for similar reasons to what I described.

Anyone who understands German can go on respected news sites like welt.de, zeit.de or spiegel.de and read what the majority-commentariat are saying about the EU. Again similar to my posts here.

 

[dholliday]

Do you have a link?

in the interests of completism, i can't find the FT article now that quotes it as my FT-privileges have dried up. There is however myriad mention of it and similar quotes all over the interwebs. But I would have to concede for now, without a serious source, we can't 100% say for sure that really came out of the mouth, or pen, of Gorbachev. Seen as he's latterly rather pro-EU, it may well have been a made-up quote from troll farms.

Unless you count your cycling forum as serious sauce:

https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=108977&start=14220

Either way, my general argument remains. Not a wind-up x

 

[Bruce Wayne]

in the interests of completism, i can't find the FT article now that quotes it as my FT-privileges have dried up. There is however myriad mention of it and similar quotes all over the interwebs. But I would have to concede for now, without a serious source, we can't 100% say for sure that really came out of the mouth, or pen, of Gorbachev. Seen as he's latterly rather pro-EU, it may well have been a made-up quote from troll farms.

Unless you count your cycling forum as serious sauce:

https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=108977&start=14220

Either way, my general argument remains. Not a wind-up x

I ask as both Wikimedia and Goodreads have removed these quotes due to their unreliable sources.

 

[dholliday]

I ask as both Wikimedia and Goodreads have removed these quotes due to their unreliable sources.

aye, 'tis better to be correct than 'right'.

 

[Billy Dean]

If Germany had a Dexit referendum, they would vote OUT a lot more than 52/48. The EU is becoming a modern USSR. Many praise the Brits for having the freedom to choose.

I haven't spoken to a single German who holds that opinion in the last 3 years.

 

[dholliday]

I haven't spoken to a single German who holds that opinion in the last 3 years.

In what language do you speak to them with?

 

[Billy Dean]

In what language do you speak to them with?

english and/or german - how is that relevant? Does the language they speak in alter their opinion?

 

[dholliday]

english and/or german - how is that relevant? Does the language they speak in alter their opinion?

it enhances their opinion, let's say. contrary to popular opinion, many germans can't converse well in english.

i have contact with germans from der Pfalz, Niedersachsen, Bremen, Bayern, Ruhrgebiet, old East and in & around the capital. Germany's a big ol' country, so there's plenty of regions where I don't have any real contacts, but as I posted earlier, there's always studying what readers of the most-read & respected news sites are saying. The theme I'm describing is a common one...especially regarding Von der Leyen's current tenure and future plans. Brexit at this stage is a source of envy.

 

[dannyboy]

I´m sad that Brexit is definitely going to happen now. I´m even sadder we listened to the #FBPE crew that told us to back a second referendum to surge in the polls.

The defence of remaining in the EU has been the biggest political shortcoming of our time. Any politician associated with it should hang their head in shame.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I´m sad that Brexit is definitely going to happen now. I´m even sadder we listened to the #FBPE crew that told us to back a second referendum to surge in the polls.

The defence of remaining in the EU has been the biggest political shortcoming of our time. Any politician associated with it should hang their head in shame.

To be fair, it hardly seemed the biggest stretch to think that the winds had turned. Not only was the original call incredibly tight, but the population was significantly better informed over the three years since the referendum, and could see the pigs ear the Tories were making of the whole affair. It hardly seemed absurd to suggest under those circumstances that enough people had thought better of it.

What transpired to be the case was that people seemed genuinely sick to death of the whole thing, and of politics in general, and just wanted to be left alone for a few years. The turn out doesn't appear to have been very high, and the remain vote was largely shambolic.

 

[dannyboy]

To be fair, it hardly seemed the biggest stretch to think that the winds had turned. Not only was the original call incredibly tight, but the population was significantly better informed over the three years since the referendum, and could see the pigs ear the Tories were making of the whole affair. It hardly seemed absurd to suggest under those circumstances that enough people had thought better of it.

What transpired to be the case was that people seemed genuinely sick to death of the whole thing, and of politics in general, and just wanted to be left alone for a few years. The turn out doesn't appear to have been very high, and the remain vote was largely shambolic.

Echo chambers unfortunately. Believe me, after last night, I know all about them. The majority of people who voted for Brexit don´t hang out on Twitter, they also probably haven´t engaged with the issue anymore than they did before the referendum either. They wanted out then and they still want out now. The arguments to counter it don´t register.