Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Eggs]

....never underestimate the Tory’s, they’re running rings around Momentum Labour. If the Bill is pulled, Labour will be seen as holding up the process, Johnson will be seen as doing the impossible by brokering a deal with Europe.

The thought of 5 more years of an extreme right wing Tory Government is frightening, I feel for young people in places like Liverpool.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

It virtually Mays deal with the backstop removed as reported......

It virtually Mays deal with the backstop implemented as reported......

Corrected.

 

[Jebus_lives]

God I wish Laura Kuenssberg would stop breaking news from a single source. It is crap journalism.

British journalists have become part of Johnson’s fake news machine

It’s chilling. From the Mail, The Times to the BBC and ITN, everyone is peddling Downing Street’s lies and smears. They’re turning their readers into dupes.

www.opendemocracy.net

 

[peteblue]

Sorry Pete, but you come across as very patronising sometimes; you are obviously an intelligent person, but you do yourself a disservice in your attitude. All I asked was how you think that a Labour govt would be bad for the economy....a reasonable question is it not?

Fair enough. In respect of a Corbyn government, let me do it via comparison. The Labour governments of Blair and Brown, promised to stick to previous Tory spending. Apart from destroying pensions and the 3G license robbery, they managed quite well for a period until 2008 happened and then the infamous note at the treasury. While a degree of public spending can kickstart an economy, Corbyn produced a manifesto giving everything to everyone, while nationalising major industries with borrowing going through the roof against costs unknown. Even Brown would not have suggested this because it generates no benefit. I’m not too pleased with Boris making similar giveaways, but at least he’s not proposing re-nationalisation as a policy.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

....never underestimate the Tory’s, they’re running rings around Momentum Labour. If the Bill is pulled, Labour will be seen as holding up the process, Johnson will be seen as doing the impossible by brokering a deal with Europe.

The thought of 5 more years of an extreme right wing Tory Government is frightening, I feel for young people in places like Liverpool.

I'm sure they'll get round to actually addressing Johnson and the Tories - just once they've purged all the enemies from within first.

 

[Blues Harp]

British journalists have become part of Johnson’s fake news machine

It’s chilling. From the Mail, The Times to the BBC and ITN, everyone is peddling Downing Street’s lies and smears. They’re turning their readers into dupes.

www.opendemocracy.net

Chilling and totally scary.....no wonder Bannon has been in discussions with senior govt ministers over the past year....suppression of views from people in his own party who have the temerity to disagree with him and then to plant false stories in the media against them...... almost trump like isn't it?

 

[Eggs]

I'm sure they'll get round to actually addressing Johnson and the Tories - just once they've purged all the enemies from within first.

....and by doing so they will continue to ‘appeal to the few and not the many’. It’s such a short-sighted approach, they need to attract Tory voters not pander to the Momentum Lefties who will vote for them anyway.

 

[The binman chronicles]

He's such a baby. Pull the deal as it might go beyond the 31st, heaven forbid if the bill is agreed after negotiations on say the 6th of November.

If he hadn't of illegally prorogued parliament in the first place he might have had the chance to put the deal through by Halloween. They could have also got this agreement from the EU days after he came to office as absolutely no concessions from their side. I hope the public can see through all this.

 

[TyphooToffee]

It's like asking someone to just accept living under a theocracy not of their own religion and be happy about it.

I have nothing against any law-abiding person (or those who break the law and have the decency to admit it - I speak from experience) or any race or colour. Good people are good, bad are bad, regardless. I know voting to leave the EU is more serious a matter than a General Election and, if I'm honest, I never expected Leave to 'win' the Referendum (I think those who attempted to rig the vote as a close thing, but the other way round, screwed up), but I feel the result is meaningless if it is not carried out. Do you think Leavers would have made anywhere near as much fuss as the Remainers have if it had gone the other way?

I don't want anyone to suffer - not individuals, not the country, not the union. I want everyone to accept that in any vote there are winners and losers, and that those who choose not to vote, or were too young to vote at the time, just have to accept the outcome and should not have a subsequent say, otherwise what's the point?

 

[peteblue]

I'm fairly sure most governments have a good stab at knowing what factors influence economic growth, so you'd think this one would be no different. I mean we're pursuing Brexit in the belief that it will help the country, so the government must believe their strategy is going to be beneficial, ie that it will allow things to change that will support higher growth, yet you can't say what those things are because you don't know why economies grow?

I mean I could show you this, but I'm sure you'd dismiss it - https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/...growth-lower-productivity-and-a-weaker-pound/

All I'm asking is for something to counter it with. It's hard to imagine in your billion dollar business dealings that you did things on the back of an envelope, yet that seems the approach you're happy with with Brexit.

In respect to your last comment, you are right, we would never do anything without full technical and financial analysis and considered judgement. But we were not necessarily making political decisions within what was primarily a finance generating choice. Brexit is different and I admitted that we would take a short term hit and said so on multiple occasions.

The analysis you included doesn’t really show that we will not be OK and in most part just shows that we are tracking the figures. Exports are up, inflation down, GDP in a healthy state. I’d be grateful if you would like to point out those parts of the report that suggest that we will not be OK.....

 

[TyphooToffee]

Everyone in the UK now knows more about the whole Brexit issue. A second vote would see a more informed choice? How can asking the (same) people be anti-democratic?

When you realize the party that won the GE is not sticking to its manifesto, do you think there should be another election within the four years?

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

When you realize the party that won the GE is not sticking to its manifesto, do you think there should be another election within the four years?

No... Labour got taken to court for this in 1999 by somebody claiming manifestos were legally binding. They aren't.

 

[Jebus_lives]

....and by doing so they will continue to ‘appeal to the few and not the many’. It’s such a short-sighted approach, they need to attract Tory voters not pander to the Momentum Lefties who will vote for them anyway.

No... Once the Sans-culotte army and the Comité de salut public have finished the purging the conspirators, then they can start to fight the real problems of the country.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

In respect to your last comment, you are right, we would never do anything without full technical and financial analysis and considered judgement. But we were not necessarily making political decisions within what was primarily a finance generating choice. Brexit is different and I admitted that we would take a short term hit and said so on multiple occasions.

The analysis you included doesn’t really show that we will not be OK and in most part just shows that we are tracking the figures. Exports are up, inflation down, GDP in a healthy state. I’d be grateful if you would like to point out those parts of the report that suggest that we will not be OK.....

It's not a short-term hit though, is it? Rees Mogg has been on record saying that it will take 50 years to recover from, which whilst you might reasonably take with a large pinch of salt, you must also accept that if he thinks that, then he's proceeding with that logic guiding him. ie, he's doing something that he actively believes will harm the British economy for a generation.

Re the LSE report, it suggests that economic performance could be much higher if it were not for Brexit, due in large part to industry either not investing in Britain, or British industry witholding investment because of the inherent uncertainty around our future status in the world. This is having an impact on productivity that is already lower than it should be, which undermines economic performance.

 

[TyphooToffee]

No... Labour got taken to court for this in 1999 by somebody claiming manifestos were legally binding. They aren't.

So what's the point of a manifesto if all the Government has to do is say that the situation changed in a way that meant A, B or C couldn't be carried out?