Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Old Blue 2]

I am not so certain about that. A campaign run on lies, deceit, and half truths (all that money going into the NHS for example), certainly swayed the 'will of the people'...or at least enough to carry the day.

Right, you've covered the 'Remain' campaign with what you have said above. What do you have to say about the 'Leave' campaign???

Seriously, do you REALLY think anybody thought that the all the money that presently goes to the EU would go into the NHS in full? Anybody with a modicum of sense knows that for starters we get a certain amount back, reducing the figure of 350 immediately. Do you really think 17.5 million people were suckered into that? On the other hand we had the financial talking heads on TV wittering on endlessly about all the doom and gloom that would happen (you know, Esk's Hedge Fund chums et al).

The brown stuff in the middle of the field came from both sides in equal measure...

 

[Old Blue 2]

Always good to see another lefty Les Paul player! Remember when buying mine I had to travel quite a few miles to try just a few of them as they're so rare

I have 5 Les Pauls - I just can't convince my wife that I need any more!

From left: '76 Deluxe; '91 Custom; 2014 Custom Shop '57 VOS SG/Les Paul; 2009 Custom Shop Junior & 2009 '08 Standard.

 

[The Esk]

So we have established that the forthcoming doomsday is going to reduce the profits of those poor hedge fund managers, but how will the forthcoming doomsday effect those who are already living in poverty?

Significantly more mate, as economic downturns always affect the needy far more than those already self-sufficient.

 

[Dymak]

Significantly more mate, as economic downturns always affect the needy far more than those already self-sufficient.

How?

 

[ilikecheese]

Right, you've covered the 'Remain' campaign with what you have said above. What do you have to say about the 'Leave' campaign???

Seriously, do you REALLY think anybody thought that the all the money that presently goes to the EU would go into the NHS in full? Anybody with a modicum of sense knows that for starters we get a certain amount back, reducing the figure of 350 immediately. Do you really think 17.5 million people were suckered into that? On the other hand we had the financial talking heads on TV wittering on endlessly about all the doom and gloom that would happen (you know, Esk's Hedge Fund chums et al).

The brown stuff in the middle of the field came from both sides in equal measure...

If remain would have won based on lies, deceit, and half truths I would feel exactly the same way.

How many of those 17.5 million were swayed by the promise of that money going to the NHS? Millions I reckon.

 

[ilikecheese]

How?

When things cost more, and your money is worth less, then the everyman is the hardest hit.

 

[Goat]

If remain would have won based on lies, deceit, and half truths I would feel exactly the same way.

How many of those 17.5 million were swayed by the promise of that money going to the NHS? Millions I reckon.

Nobody.

I had this discussion last night with some Friends.

99% of people voted leave solely for immigration reasons.

 

[Elong]

Nobody.

I had this discussion last night with some Friends.

99% of people voted leave solely for immigration reasons.

Nailed it. For right or wrong, or what actual reasons politicians wanted to Leave, the man on the street voted to stop muslims entering the country.

 

[Old Blue 2]

If remain would have won based on lies, deceit, and half truths I would feel exactly the same way.

How many of those 17.5 million were swayed by the promise of that money going to the NHS? Millions I reckon.

You can reckon all you like. You cannot prove. Your last sentence has no foundation in fact whatsoever. I reckon Everton will win the Premiership this coming season, and the RS will get relegated. Equally as valid as your 'millions I reckon'. As I said to Esk earlier, urinating into the proverbial breeze...

 

[bobbydigital]

Nobody.

I had this discussion last night with some Friends.

99% of people voted leave solely for immigration reasons.

Nailed it. For right or wrong, or what actual reasons politicians wanted to Leave, the man on the street voted to stop muslims entering the country.

Exactly right.

Good article to read here

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...lans-new-party-to-replace-ukip-without-farage

Includes quotes from Arron Banks, the man who bank rolled the Leave campaign

“The Conservatives are now trying to rewrite the campaign that immigration wasn’t important, but boy was immigration important,” Banks said. “The first thing we did was poll everybody and we found that if immigration wasn’t the issue, the issue was schools or education, proxies for immigration. It was the number one issue by a country mile.”

“It was taking an American-style media approach,” said Banks. “What they said early on was ‘facts don’t work’ and that’s it. The remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It just doesn’t work. You have got to connect with people emotionally. It’s the Trump success.”

 

[The Esk]

How?

(i) because any reduction in income for low earners affects their living standards significantly greater than higher earners
(ii) lower economic activity, reduces corporate profitability, reduces employment opportunities and reduces overall wages, thereby reducing Government income. When Government income falls they reduce spending, usually in areas that support the poor and needy - social care, benefits, local authority service support, education
(iii)economic uncertainty materially effects the quality of life for poorer people causing health and social problems

We need only look at the impact of the recession of the early 80's and the early 90's to see the impact on the most needy.

 

[ilikecheese]

Nobody.

I had this discussion last night with some Friends.

99% of people voted leave solely for immigration reasons.

There were plenty of lies, deceit, and half truths told on that topic as well Friend.

 

[Goat]

There were plenty of lies, deceit, and half truths told on that topic as well Friend.

Politicians lie.

They always have and they always will, its all about who tells the best lies the best.

 

[Elong]

Politicians lie.

They always have and they always will, its all about who tells the best lies the best.

Anyone who puts down politician as their career choice at school should be drowned.

 

[Goat]

Anyone who puts down politician as their career choice at school should be drowned.

Most of them would have been if they went to a proper school.