Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
well, you can afford to give me this one, you go first.....
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Okay. I'll entertain you. I'll ignore all the collective "experts out there" with their forecasts etc. All of whom agree the UK will suffer.

I'll stick to simple logic.

We all agree that the EU will not, indeed cannot, give the UK a better deal than the one it has already. Sure, that's obvious.

Therefore, in terms of the UK's biggest trading partner we are on a negative trajectory. Agree?

Then in terms of a deal with all of the other major trading blocks... The US, Japan, China etc. The UK's population is 67 million. The EU's is 514 million. Any major negotiation is about bargaining power. Unless the UK agrees to drop its standards I just cannot see how it can get a better deal than the one negotiated as part of the EU.

Your thoughts? And your reasons to believe in sunny uplands?
 
Joey66 said:
It will be either deal or leave its up to the MPS they voted article 50 through - no referendum they would take 9 months arguing what the question was on the ballot paper... thats 9 billion to the EU coffers
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Well looking at the benefits to the City of Liverpool, thank goodness the EU has money, it would never have come from Whitehall. Our problems are entirely of our own making
 
Tubey said:
We've had a GE since the referendum - the electorate rejected the governments approach and returned a reflective parliament.

You do not respect the sovereignty of that parliament.

Therefore, you are prepared to cause "chaos" if parliament makes a decision you don't like.

You are undemocratic.

You can get angry and call "bullshit" as much as you like - everything I've said is an indisputable fact.
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Sorry Tubey, but no one voted for a reflective parliament or maybe I missed that in the manifestos. You are just repeating the same tricks being played by an overwhelmingly Remain Parliament to frustrate the will of the people. Both Labour and the Conservatives ran on manifestos to Leave the EU....and now both ex Conservative MP’s and Labour are doing everything they can to stop it. At least the LD’s and the SNP were honest about it. You and Labour are merely trying to convince yourselves that you know better, or in Labours case a cynical attempt to gain power.....
 
peteblue said:
Sorry Tubey, but no one voted for a reflective parliament or maybe I missed that in the manifestos. You are just repeating the same tricks being played by an overwhelmingly Remain Parliament to frustrate the will of the people. Both Labour and the Conservatives ran on manifestos to Leave the EU....and now both ex Conservative MP’s and Labour are doing everything they can to stop it. At least the LD’s and the SNP were honest about it. You and Labour are merely trying to convince yourselves that you know better, or in Labours case a cynical attempt to gain power.....
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We vote for constituency representatives ffs - of course we vote for a reflective parliament. It reflects the country. Again, we don't vote for a government, ever.

I'm not saying "tricks", everything I'm saying is utter fact. Countering with nonsense like "frustrate the will of the people" is par for the course with you, but it's still bloody weird that no matter how many absolute facts you are told you are completely unable to accept them. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about - you think you do but you have no grounding knowledge of the subject whatsoever.
 
peteblue said:
Sorry Tubey, but no one voted for a reflective parliament or maybe I missed that in the manifestos. You are just repeating the same tricks being played by an overwhelmingly Remain Parliament to frustrate the will of the people. Both Labour and the Conservatives ran on manifestos to Leave the EU....and now both ex Conservative MP’s and Labour are doing everything they can to stop it. At least the LD’s and the SNP were honest about it. You and Labour are merely trying to convince yourselves that you know better, or in Labours case a cynical attempt to gain power.....
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We've been through this more than 17.2m times.
 
peteblue said:
Sorry Tubey, but no one voted for a reflective parliament or maybe I missed that in the manifestos. You are just repeating the same tricks being played by an overwhelmingly Remain Parliament to frustrate the will of the people. Both Labour and the Conservatives ran on manifestos to Leave the EU....and now both ex Conservative MP’s and Labour are doing everything they can to stop it. At least the LD’s and the SNP were honest about it. You and Labour are merely trying to convince yourselves that you know better, or in Labours case a cynical attempt to gain power.....
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Pete
The squabbles are about the deal, not leaving. Parliament I think broadly accepts that, SNP and LD aside. It is crazy though. Mad. I think Sunderland led the way which sums it up really.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
We've been through this more than 17.2m times.
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It's amazing ain't it...

Them: "Leave means Leave!"
Us: "Yeah but what does it mean though?"
Them: "Leave!"
Us: "Yeah but how?"
Them: "Leave!"

It's like arguing with a toddler. I don't even mean that in a derogatory way; I mean it literally. A toddler would do that - just yell the same thing over and over again.
 
Tubey said:
It's amazing ain't it...

Them: "Leave means Leave!"
Us: "Yeah but what does it mean though?"
Them: "Leave!"
Us: "Yeah but how?"
Them: "Leave!"

It's like arguing with a toddler. I don't even mean that in a derogatory way; I mean it literally. A toddler would do that - just yell the same thing over and over again.
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Because as soon as you ask for detail it all falls apart.
 
Charlie Sweet said:
Okay. I'll entertain you. I'll ignore all the collective "experts out there" with their forecasts etc. All of whom agree the UK will suffer.

I'll stick to simple logic.

We all agree that the EU will not, indeed cannot, give the UK a better deal than the one it has already. Sure, that's obvious.

Therefore, in terms of the UK's biggest trading partner we are on a negative trajectory. Agree?

Then in terms of a deal with all of the other major trading blocks... The US, Japan, China etc. The UK's population is 67 million. The EU's is 514 million. Any major negotiation is about bargaining power. Unless the UK agrees to drop its standards I just cannot see how it can get a better deal than the one negotiated as part of the EU.

Your thoughts? And your reasons to believe in sunny uplands?
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We are the EU’s biggest trading partner. If they wish to reduce that then obviously they can, but why would they ?

Our export trade with the EU is diminishing year on year while theirs grows with us. The EU is a diminishing % of world trade and has become a protectionist bloc.

We are only 65 million, yet we still have the 5th biggest economy in the world, go figure.

We will adopt a more win/win approach to world trade as opposed to the EU trying to beat down the opposition.

We will reinvent relationships and can be far more creative with how we deal and trade with partners as opposed to a 27/28 consensus which invariably ends up as a mishmash.

I happen to believe in the competence of our companies to trade.......
 
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