After the vote.
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After the vote.
See above. International trade agreements = international regulations.
No when the leave camp of which he was not part of quoted it - no one is more qualified on our contributions than Nigel Farage like him or loath him he is spot on with our membership contributions 17 years as an elected member of the EU parliament.
I heard him on LBC radio asked the Leave camps claim on funds he denounced it and gave the contributions with the rebates without googling it!
There has been a general jokey atmosphere around it all, like lies are expected, ho ho ho, those politicians. They need to be held to account more. A company isn't allowed to make claims in adverts that are utter nonsense, so why are politicians allowed to get away with it?
"The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations mean you can’t mislead or harass consumers by, for example:
- including false or deceptive messages
Major issue if you're selling soap, but if you're selling the future of a country it's fine and dandy.
no when we first joined the common market tariffs were 15 to 25 percent they could be as low as 3-5 percent now as our Germany and the EU export more to us!
I was swaying between Leave and Remain up until maybe an hour before I voted. Voted Remain in the end.
For me there was no obvious choice. I'm worried by the direction the EU is taking, and staying would only embolden Brussels to up the speed on the crazy train. I also don't see the economy as the only important issue, and it's all I really heard Remain bang on about which annoyed me. Also experienced first hand what a massive influx of cheap labour from Europe does for job prospects when you're at the bottom of the pile (although thankfully this no longer affects me personally).
Ended up voting remain because it was obvious whoever was going to be negotiating our exit would be a sh!thouse. All that talk of de-regulation was about cutting workers rights, abolishing minimum wage, and generally screwing over the poorest in society. Not about bendy banana's and the power of vaccum cleaners as they made out. The nasty xenophobia that constantly crossed the line and ruined any sensible debate about immigration was also very off putting.
Will be interested to see if I went the right way, going to be at least 5-10 years before that becomes clear though.
roydo
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Pretty much the same for me mate. No real enthusiasm for voting to stay in, but looking at the main Brexiters, and chatting with folk on my rounds, the Remain option seemed slightly more attractive.
Farage said £10 billion per year. "“We have a £10 billion, £34 million a day featherbed, that is going to be free money that we can spend on the NHS, on schools, on whatever it is."
European Union Finances 2015: statement on the 2015 EU Budget and measures to counter fraud and financial mismanagement
This shows the UK contributions to the EU budget.
It says in 2105 the gross payment was £17.7 billion. Which includes the Gross National Income payment ( depends how rich a country is) £13 billion, plus VAT = £2.3 billion and a thing called TOR £2.4 billion.
TOR - Traditional Own Resources payments - which is another word for custom duties/tariffs imposed on goods imported into the EU- TOR payments at 75 per cent to the EU. The remaining 25 per cent is retained by the UK to cover the costs of administering collection on behalf of the EU. This amounts £2.4 billion to the EU and the UK keeps £800 million. As this is paid by those exporting into the EU/UK it is not an expense on the UK treasury.
That means the figure is £17.7 - £3.2 (TOR payment)= £14.5 billion includes VAT payment.
The UK gets a rebate - "the estimated value of the UK’s rebate in 2015 is €5.6 billion (£4.4 billion)" £14.5 billion - £4.4 billion = £10.1 billion.
The Uk also receives this money which Gove and Johnson said they would honour,
"UK public sector receipts in 2015, mainly from the European Agricultural Guarantee (EAGF), European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development (EAFRD) and the Social and Regional Development Funds, are expected to be around £4.4 billion. The majority of these receipts will either be paid to, or used in support of, the private sector but are channelled through government departments or agencies".
£10.1 billion minus this £4.4 = £5.7 billion.
But the UK also receives from the EU this which Gove and Johnson said the UK will honour,
"The EU makes some payments directly to the private sector, for example to carry out research activities. These payments do not appear in the public sector’s accounts. It is estimated that in 2013, these receipts were worth £1.4 billion. These payments are not included in Tables 3.A or 3.C-F, which provide data on public sector receipts only.
So that is £5.7 billion minus £1.4 billion = £4.3 billion.
The UK could decide to reduce the VAT or it could add it to is coffers which would mean that the money saved by not being in the EU is £4.3 billion plus £2.5 billion VAT = £6.8 billion per year.
Farage was vague on whether he would honour the money back to farmers, social fund and the regions fund. And whether he would honour the money to the private sector. But he did mention the NHS and schools without being specific on figures.
its 9 billion I put a official treasury chart up after rebates we pay 9 billion of deficit to out treasury. but look at this google chart -
dont forget if our GDP goes up we contribute more!
its 9 billion I put a official treasury chart up after rebates we pay 9 billion of deficit to out treasury. but look at this google chart -
That doesn't take into account the TOR payments to the EU - £2.4 billion (75%) and the £800 million (25%) to the UK treasury for administration charges. Which equals £3.2 billion which has not been taken off any figures.
But it's off google surely it's correct lol
My graphs of Google 32 years of deficit of membership to paying into the EU calculate that one please!lol It is off Gov UK that I put on the reply. Which may be worse than google.
32 years of being ripped off!
SNova
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He's not in government.
There has been a deficit since the UK joined the single market/EU. In a way you could argue that has been a 'tariff' 'entry fee to the club' on UK goods and services sold to the EU. But in 1972 big business thought it a good thing to join the Common Market. You would have to look into the reasons they wanted it. But the suspicion at the time was it was a business club that wasn't good for the workers.
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