Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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JEBUS_LIVES said:
Why not a vote on a range of leave options?
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Not doable as no deal has been agreed, any such options would be hypothetical, not a good idea to put up in a referendum.

NO DEAL vs REMAIN. Simple. The people have had 3+ years to think about it. A deal is still doable after NO DEAL, but no guarantees and no details.

Personally I would only support NO DEAL if the government guarantees the status of all legally-resident non-Brit nationals (EU & non-EU) by drawing up a quick law which gives those folk security that in the event of NO DEAL their status won't change in the short & long-term, perhaps even by nationalising them.

Similarly, the EU must offer the same security to all Brits living in EU countries.

That's not a Deal as such, it's a basic humanist security to folk. Without this, it's morally questionable to vote NO DEAL.

Boris must go to EU and at least come to an agreement to mutually offer this security, so that real lives aren't obviously negatively affected by a NO DEAL. The rest is a matter of debate as to positive/negative effects in the short & long term of a NO DEAL Brexit.
 
davek said:
I can only wish Corbyn got shut of his internal critics so ruthlessly.

The idiocy of Johnson though is that he has utterly sickened his own party going into an election, fracturing them.

You can be sure that the morale of most of the others still in the party and who are of the same mind as Gauke, Clarke etc is on the floor.
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Dave, you can only dream of Corbyn having the bottle to do what Boris has done. You have been calling for this for ages, and yet as soon as Boris does it, Labour and Corbyn run away from the fight.....and the people are watching.....
 
peteblue said:
Not really Andy, this guy argues with a middle finger, he calls people bigots and liars, but if you are happy for him to continue ruining these threads then fine, like others I’ll not bother......
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Frankly Pete and @Mark O'Silver, I have neither the inclination nor time to try and figure out what the heck goes on between you two - my concern is the integrity of the forum and the general level of debate.

You two sniping at one another detracts from the integrity and quality of the debate so either you take your spat to private messaging or knock it off completely or...
well, it's in your hands
 
peteblue said:
Dave, you can only dream of Corbyn having the bottle to do what Boris has done. You have been calling for this for ages, and yet as soon as Boris does it, Labour and Corbyn run away from the fight.....and the people are watching.....
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He did do it, though. In 2017 - when the Tory lead was 20 points, not 10.
 
peteblue said:
Dave, you can only dream of Corbyn having the bottle to do what Boris has done. You have been calling for this for ages, and yet as soon as Boris does it, Labour and Corbyn run away from the fight.....and the people are watching.....
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No, no, no I said I admire it...it's just that your Clown Prince has terrible timing in doing it.

Cusp of an election and the clown decides to split his own party.

Nice work Bojo.
 
dholliday said:
Not doable as no deal has been agreed, any such options would be hypothetical, not a good idea to put up in a referendum.

NO DEAL vs REMAIN. Simple. The people have had 3+ years to think about it. A deal is still doable after NO DEAL, but no guarantees and no details.

Personally I would only support NO DEAL if the government guarantees the status of all legally-resident non-Brit nationals (EU & non-EU) by drawing up a quick law which gives those folk security that in the event of NO DEAL their status won't change in the short & long-term, perhaps even by nationalising them.

Similarly, the EU must offer the same security to all Brits living in EU countries.

That's not a Deal as such, it's a basic humanist security to folk. Without this, it's morally questionable to vote NO DEAL.

Boris must go to EU and at least come to an agreement to mutually offer this security, so that real lives aren't obviously negatively affected by a NO DEAL. The rest is a matter of debate as to positive/negative effects in the short & long term of a NO DEAL Brexit.
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I don't follow. Agreed by who?
 
Would be interesting to see how first time voters would vote in a general election... they seem to be forgotten about yet were very vocal around the time of the last referendum as feeling ignored and not represented in any way.
 
AndyC said:
Frankly Pete and @Mark O'Silver, I have neither the inclination nor time to try and figure out what the heck goes on between you two - my concern is the integrity of the forum and the general level of debate.

You two sniping at one another detracts from the integrity and quality of the debate so either you take your spat to private messaging or knock it off completely or...
well, it's in your hands
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Thanks....
 
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