Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

anybody like myself , brexit voter but having to balance it against a Johnson government,
i have thought long and hard about it for about ten seconds and decided i would sooner have a labour government and sacrifice Brexit to stop him.
but feel i am a bit two faced for doing it after having held brexit views for the duration of this argument.

You’ll get over it .....look at Corbyn, anti-EU all his life and now heading up a remainer party who’s members voted for Leave......

 

[Paul Rideout]

On a very basic level the business cycle you describe makes sense - but couldn't this also be linked to a Keynesian model? ie. Spend during the bust to lower the effect?

This also then doesn't seem to fit with the idea of then having austerity measures in place for so long?

They didn’t spend during the bust. They spent to elongate the boom. Subtle but important difference.

At what point does national debt become unsustainable? If you spend in the boom and don’t save (as happened) how can you spend anything when you don’t have anything. Credit rating is important, it would have been close to bankrupting the country.

 

[edge]

You’ll get over it .....look at Corbyn, anti-EU all his life and now heading up a remainer party who’s members voted for Leave......

thought you might have hit me with a exclusion from the GOT brexit gang for going maverick

 

[peteblue]

thought you might have hit me with a exclusion from the GOT brexit gang for going maverick

Once a Brexiteer always a Brexiteer.......

 

[edge]

Once a Brexiteer always a Brexiteer.......

let me know if you impose a three line whip i will get right on board again

 

[Anders_Limpar]

anybody like myself , brexit voter but having to balance it against a Johnson government,
i have thought long and hard about it for about ten seconds and decided i would sooner have a labour government and sacrifice Brexit to stop him.
but feel i am a bit two faced for doing it after having held brexit views for the duration of this argument.

This is quite hopeful to read.

One of the major problems we have as a country now is that it is so polarised, people (perhaps understandably) believe that what box they ticked back in 2016 completely defines them.

My best friend voted to leave, he describes himself as a liberal and hates Johnson and Farage, but we were talking the other day and I got the sense that he would take both of them in government, if it meant Brexit was delivered. From someone who prior to 2016 had never mentioned any real dislike for the EU, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

There has to point for everyone whereby the pay offs just aren't worth what is delivered.

I wouldn't feel bad - Brexit isn't a football team.

 

[Xizor]

Huge jump in voter registrations in the last 48 hours (as you might expect with rumours and demands of elections). Encouragingly, over half of all applications made by people under 35. Seems like the young might have grown tired of old codgers trying to strip their rights away.

 

[degsy]

General Election.
42 days notice required (?)
Always on a Thursday
31st Oct is a thursday - so thats out and its also the PMs cut off date
24th is a Thursday
42 days before = 11th Sept.
6 days to do it.

 

[Anders_Limpar]

They didn’t spend during the bust. They spent to elongate the boom. Subtle but important difference.

At what point does national debt become unsustainable? If you spend in the boom and don’t save (as happened) how can you spend anything when you don’t have anything. Credit rating is important, it would have been close to bankrupting the country.

I thought Brown was spending big to also try to mitigate the effects of the global financial crisis?

 

[Xizor]

My best friend voted to leave, he describes himself as a liberal and hates Johnson and Farage, but we were talking the other day and I got the sense that he would take both of them in government, if it meant Brexit was delivered.

I really struggle to wrap my head around what a truly liberal leaver's worldview is, to be honest.

 

[Ruairi77]

This is quite hopeful to read.

One of the major problems we have as a country now is that it is so polarised, people (perhaps understandably) believe that what box they ticked back in 2016 completely defines them.

My best friend voted to leave, he describes himself as a liberal and hates Johnson and Farage, but we were talking the other day and I got the sense that he would take both of them in government, if it meant Brexit was delivered. From someone who prior to 2016 had never mentioned any real dislike for the EU, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

There has to point for everyone whereby the pay offs just aren't worth what is delivered.

I wouldn't feel bad - Brexit isn't a football team.

Yup, it's the same with Trump here, there was a point earlier on in his presidency where you could safely step off the Trump train, shrug, and admit that electing a reality TV show host was probably not the best idea, but if you've stuck by him till now it's far harder to change your ways, I think some are in so far that they lose sight of other options. They convince themselves, beyond doubt, that they are making the right choice.
Same with Brexit, three years of continuous disaster and some who were moderat, find themselves more intrenched than ever.

 

[Paul Rideout]

I thought Brown was spending big to also try to mitigate the effects of the global financial crisis?

I appreciate it’s semantics, but he was spending on the downside before we went into negative growth.

If he was doing as you said, wouldn’t that discredit everything every anti austerity economist (including the IMF) has ever said about how to tackle tough times? Because we were in a far worse state for longer.

If we were a household, the mortgage lenders would have taken the property from us. Our national debt relative to gdp needs to come right down

 

[Paul Rideout]

Yup, it's the same with Trump here, there was a point earlier on in his presidency where you could safely step off the Trump train, shrug, and admit that electing a reality TV show host was probably not the best idea, but if you've stuck by him till now it's far harder to change your ways, I think some are in so far that they lose sight of other options. They convince themselves, beyond doubt, that they are making the right choice.
Same with Brexit, three years of continuous disaster and some who were moderat, find themselves more intrenched than ever.

He’s going to win in 2020 too. Not loving any of the democrat nominees... except sanders, but he’s too ‘communist’ (I jest, but he’s too socialist) for your swing voters.

 

[Anders_Limpar]

I really struggle to wrap my head around what a truly liberal leaver's worldview is, to be honest.

It's made for some interesting post match pints in the last few years...

There are elements of what he says that I agree with (protectionism aspects of single market, the opaque nature of the commission ect).

But to me, it makes no sense to hand a victory to the far right of the country and then what? Expect Farage et al to just go away and we can run our glorious utopia with global freedom of movement ect.

Its fully entrenched now though.

 

[Ruairi77]

He’s going to win in 2020 too. Not loving any of the democrat nominees... except sanders, but he’s too ‘communist’ (I jest, but he’s too socialist) for your swing voters.

not the thread for this but if 2018 is anything to go by, he'll struggle to win.