Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Walken said:
You said there will be hardship in the event of no deal, you also said you are fine with it, what do you envisage as the hardship we will endure?
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They can't envisage the hardships of the posr war 1940s. No choice, going to the co-op with a ration book and get what they give you.,
 
spectateur said:
I really do admire your faith. Not a political /economic judgement, just faith in the preaching of your great leader.
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Any deviation from what he assumes will happen is just a 'hypothetical' and not worth an ounce of thinking about.

I mean, I'm doing some DIY later, putting up shelves and the like. I haven't bothered checking to see if I've got the right screws and rawlplugs because not having adequate supplies of them is just a hypothetical situation, so is of no interest to me. And if the shelf falls down tomorrow, causing utter pandemonium as cherished possessions spill and break on the floor, because it turns out I didn't have any screws at all and had to bodge it with a few drawing pins and sellotape? Total hypothetical situation, why think about it? Things will be fine.
 
Xizor said:
This is the mad thing I can't make older relatives see - they've very comfortable, living mostly in home counties market towns, retired, big houses owned outright etc. They just can't understand what the youth are facing, and give similar helpful "roll your sleeves up" advice. I live in a deprived town, and although I've worked full time for 20+ years (save 2 years at uni) I still consider myself fortunate to own my own house in one of the nicer parts of town. Many my age, and the vast majority under it, are staring at a life where things like 'assets and investments' are a pipe dream, and a shrinking economy prone to recessions isn't going to help that any. An entire generation growing up without much of a stake in the country. I work with children and it gets harder and harder to tell them truthfully that working hard will get them where they want to be in life. More and more of the kids are involved in gangs, carry knives, so on, but how can you counter that allure if that's the only pathway they can see to achieve something in life other than wage slavery?

And what did I hear from the 50-something caretaker? "Bring back national service". Trying to ram a 1950s solution onto a 21st century problem. And yes, he did vote Leave.
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As I suggested earlier, perhaps you should look in the mirror if you wish to see where the problems are......
 
Xizor said:
And what did I hear from the 50-something caretaker? "Bring back national service". Trying to ram a 1950s solution onto a 21st century problem. And yes, he did vote Leave.
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Typical leaver nonsense. A person who is in their 50s is far too young to know anything about national service. Maybe his dad had to do it.
 
peteblue said:
As I suggested earlier, perhaps you should look in the mirror if you wish to see where the problems are......
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If you're suggesting I'm recruiting them into gangs and arming them then you're demented. And if you're not then I have no idea what you're talking about. Rising inequality is a societal problem that is impacting on the younger generations more than ever; the kids growing into adulthood now are more likely to have parents who are struggling financially and have nothing themselves, which makes it far harder to create a safe nurturing environment. It's not hard for gang recruiters to turn kids' heads by offering them clothes, trainers, phones and the like. Originally it's all just gifts from their new 'family', but then they turn the screws and start asking for jobs done to pay them back etc. Running some drugs, nicking small items, so on.

The government pursuing a policy that will could ramp up the inequality to near-feudal levels will only exacerbate the problem, but then I don't expect the average Leave voter to have an inkling of concern for their fellow citizens' wellbeing, so totally in thrall as they are to the ultimate low-regulation, low-welfare state Tory project yet seen.
 
Xizor said:
If you're suggesting I'm recruiting them into gangs and arming them then you're demented. And if you're not then I have no idea what you're talking about. Rising inequality is a societal problem that is impacting on the younger generations more than ever; the kids growing into adulthood now are more likely to have parents who are struggling financially and have nothing themselves, which makes it far harder to create a safe nurturing environment. It's not hard for gang recruiters to turn kids' heads by offering them clothes, trainers, phones and the like. Originally it's all just gifts from their new 'family', but then they turn the screws and start asking for jobs done to pay them back etc. Running some drugs, nicking small items, so on.

The government pursuing a policy that will could ramp up the inequality to near-feudal levels will only exacerbate the problem, but then I don't expect the average Leave voter to have an inkling of concern for their fellow citizens' wellbeing, so totally in thrall as they are to the ultimate low-regulation, low-welfare state Tory project yet seen.
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You really haven’t a clue do you. The lads on here who grew up just after the war didn’t have parents who were awash with money. They had parents who were dirt poor and still suffering from rationing and war experiences. Their kids, the lads on here, grew up in abject poverty but worked hard to build a prosperous country and a degree of prosperity for themselves. It wasn’t given or inherited, it was worked for. Meanwhile, our own kids were spoilt, given whatever we had and have inherited or stand to inherit large sums of money. Millennials however, seem to believe that the world owes them a living and that we were given riches that have been taken away from themselves. You will never understand it, because you can only see what you have experienced, and the ‘inequality’ that you complain about. Myself and my generation shoulder the blame for all of this for giving too easily, providing too much, and not instilling a serious work ethic and independence into our kids and the millennium generation. For that I apologise........
 
Bruce Wayne said:
That's a low blow Pete.
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The truth often hurts. I believe our left leaning teaching profession and those instilling children with certain beliefs, morals and behaviours, have done much to bring us to where we are today. And before anyone starts bleating about Tory cuts, and not enough computers or whatever, I would suggest that they look at what previous generations of kids had to put up with......No one is denying the disastrous and corrosive effect of middle class drug taking and its effect upon crime, gangs and pressure upon the kids, but to just throw in the towel and lower standards because it’s easier than dealing with the issue is a cop out. Dealing with kids and putting them on the right path is hard, if those who are meant to do this find it too difficult then I would suggest another profession......
 
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