Current Affairs EU In or Out
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For slow learners.....if you really want Brexit, here is the simple way out.
www.bbc.co.uk
Neither the Irish government nor the EU are holding you back.
It is only the desperation of the Tory Party to remain in power which is permitting the minority DUP to frustrate its Brexit plans
Varadkar: NI only backstop could avoid hard border
Leo Varadkar says there are ways to avoid a hard border, but that he is still preparing for no-deal.
www.bbc.co.uk
Neither the Irish government nor the EU are holding you back.
It is only the desperation of the Tory Party to remain in power which is permitting the minority DUP to frustrate its Brexit plans
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Let’s leave aside the veracity or otherwise of that article you read, Peter.
And focus on the word “compromise”.
You don’t need me to tell you that “compromise” is a two way street....it takes two parties to do that.
So what would Mr. Coveney be talking about when he says “compromise”?
(if in fact he did say the things you read in that article.....you don’t think “fake news” is only applicable to things you disdain, do you)
But I shall tell you the “compromise” which will get your man and this country off the hook.
NI only Backstop.
Which was what May and Barnier came up with in t’ first place and is still the only game in town,
And that is the “compromise” that Mr. Johnson will eventually arrive at if he is serious about “delivering Brexit”..
Because nowt else is going to fly with the Irish, north or south, and the EU.
I think a No deal would be bad for everyone. However Parliament has rejected the only deal on the table 3 times. We were supposed to leave and for the sake of our own democracy we must leave. The intransigence is purely on the side of the ROI for not embracing any other solution apart from the one in the rejected deal. May would have kept kicking the can down the road and the EU would have been more than happy for this to continue. But it needs bringing to a conclusion, if the EU refuses to change part of the deal that has been thrown out by Parliament 3 times then there will be no deal....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
My word, @peteblue
You are putting a whole different spin on The Tanaiste’s words just because you think it helps you make a point.
But as ever....the fact checkers on here show you up lol
Well done, Mark
I made an accurate cut and paste of an article with no alterations. I didn’t ‘spin’ anything.....
Yes you did.
You selectively cut and pasted a passage from an article in an attempt to convey a message which was not the substance of the article.
That is the very definition of “spinning”.
And you ended up with egg on your face.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I accurately cut and pasted a passage from an article. It included a link to the whole article. I made no comment about the article nor drew any conclusions. Others then commented on selective bits. You should try reading what was posted and not what you imagined was being said......
Keep telling yourself that, Peter.
You will no doubt eventually convince yourself that you did not do what we all saw you do.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I’m right though.....
dead_soft
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I don't know if it's that people don't understand it, or if it's a purposeful fudging. Our democracy is not a question of a straight yes or no. The referendum never said that parliament wouldn't have any say on the implementation of Brexit. So, you want desperately to protect the democracy of this country by taking away the rights of the most important democratically elected body in the country?
The Conservatives handled this foolishly when they said that parliament would enact it, but even they didn't say Parliament would enact it at any cost. This is all taking way too long and it is ridiculous but it would be ever more ridiculous to leave for the sake of democracy, which is a fairly meaningless phrase here.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I think the problem is that from the very beginning Remainers have pulled every trick and undermined every attempt to obtain a sensible negotiated outcome for the sole purpose of attempting to reverse the decision to leave. If they had thrown themselves behind leaving with a good deal I do not believe we would be in this situation. Even now the remainer in chief, Hammond refuses to resign for not voting with the government, but will resign as soon as Boris is named leader. I can appreciate that those who don’t wish to leave may find this uncomfortable, but those of us, the majority, who did vote to leave are absolutely furious at the way our politicians are behaving.....
orchard
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Kinell...
Just about sums up my thoughts on the subject.
orchard
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Not really true though mate, is it?
My impression is:
Weak government ran off and tried to implement an extreme interpretation of the vote that suited their ends, never looked to reach a consensus with the House(or own party) , even when it became apparent it was too extreme a brexit for most to support. Tories then ran the clock down in an attempt to force this on the nation, MP's rightly objected and needed to use extreme measures to respond to a desperate government that tried every trick it could to push this over the line before it could be dealt with thoughtfully.
You’re talking to a brick wall mate. For the next 30 years we’re going to be hearing the line ‘its the remainers fault’ as we disappear further down the rabbit hole.
Not quite sure how it’s the remainers fault that people got racist all of a sudden mind you. But hey.
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