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Brussels use technology on border shocker!

The thing is, it's maddening. From reading the Mail article, it seems there is an EU paper coming out that hopefully adds a bit of flesh to the bone, although as the Mail seem to have had advanced access to the paper, the lack of flesh provided in the article itself is perhaps an indication that none exists.

Either way though, we're in a period where the Tory candidates seem to be striving to gazump one another in the level of fantasy they can engage in, and yet people like Pete, who have had decades running complex, multi-million pound projects, give them a completely free pass and allow them to roll out the 'technology will save us' trope without requiring any kind of detail whatsoever. We've had years to do these investigations, and given that the backstop only really comes into force due to a lack of any kind of technological solution, you'd imagine the last six months would have expedited the need for thorough exploration among hard Brexiteers, yet we've had bugger all.

From David Davis to Boris Johnson, the common theme of those on the inside is that they're woefully ill-prepared and lacking in any kind of attention to detail, which if you were an experienced project manager would surely worry the pants off you, yet Pete waves it all past with scarcely a bad word to say about these utter cowboys. Baffles the heck out of me it does, especially from a supporter of the party who have always liked to laud their competence.
 
You'll have to forgive me for wanting a bit more than a quote from the Daily Mail Pete. I have asked you repeatedly to explain what these technologies are, where they've been deployed, what testing the UK government has done of them, what were the results of those tests, and what are their plans for subsequently scaling the rollout up?

In your own time.
lol lol
 
Brussels use technology on border shocker!
The EU commissioned a paper Smart Border 2.0: by a Swedish guy last year in fairness to the EU its not suddenly made this up, he has held talks with both the EU and UK , in short he said it was possible ,but would need political as well as technological solutions to work.
Stuff like blockchain could be brought into play. it allows payments etc between two parties to be monitored by giving each article a electronic "TAG" to read by customs . it used already in the like's of the diamond industry, and bitcoin ect,
Singapore seem to be at the forefront of using stuff like this at the moment.
now i am back out of here till something new happens to talk about on Brexit
 
The thing is, it's maddening. From reading the Mail article, it seems there is an EU paper coming out that hopefully adds a bit of flesh to the bone, although as the Mail seem to have had advanced access to the paper, the lack of flesh provided in the article itself is perhaps an indication that none exists.

Either way though, we're in a period where the Tory candidates seem to be striving to gazump one another in the level of fantasy they can engage in, and yet people like Pete, who have had decades running complex, multi-million pound projects, give them a completely free pass and allow them to roll out the 'technology will save us' trope without requiring any kind of detail whatsoever. We've had years to do these investigations, and given that the backstop only really comes into force due to a lack of any kind of technological solution, you'd imagine the last six months would have expedited the need for thorough exploration among hard Brexiteers, yet we've had bugger all.

From David Davis to Boris Johnson, the common theme of those on the inside is that they're woefully ill-prepared and lacking in any kind of attention to detail, which if you were an experienced project manager would surely worry the pants off you, yet Pete waves it all past with scarcely a bad word to say about these utter cowboys. Baffles the heck out of me it does, especially from a supporter of the party who have always liked to laud their competence.

You will remember that I suggested spending £500M or so, stitching together existing import/export software systems, tracking systems etc, and developing additional oversight mechanisms to bring together a working process. I don’t believe for one minute that the EU will have a system in place for the end of October, unless the necessary development has already been taking place over the last three years in secret. I think this will be a low end fudge to cover their own backs. These things take time, we have wasted three years, but they are doable with the necessary investment. The issue I have is that the EU have deliberately used the border issue as a political ploy to delay or undermine Brexit ever happening, and wilfully ignored potential solutions.

I don’t give anyone a free pass, but if there is a political will to develop a suitable system then the technology exists to deliver it.....
 
The EU commissioned a paper Smart Border 2.0: by a Swedish guy last year in fairness to the EU its not suddenly made this up, he has held talks with both the EU and UK , in short he said it was possible ,but would need political as well as technological solutions to work.
Stuff like blockchain could be brought into play. it allows payments etc between two parties to be monitored by giving each article a electronic "TAG" to read by customs . it used already in the like's of the diamond industry, and bitcoin ect,
Singapore seem to be at the forefront of using stuff like this at the moment.
now i am back out of here till something new happens to talk about on Brexit
I think the eu are only interested in limited applications, whereas the UK side would have to be more robust and greater in scale and complexity.

Fair dues, at least they got of their arses and have done something constructive.
 
You will remember that I suggested spending £500M or so, stitching together existing import/export software systems, tracking systems etc, and developing additional oversight mechanisms to bring together a working process. I don’t believe for one minute that the EU will have a system in place for the end of October, unless the necessary development has already been taking place over the last three years in secret. I think this will be a low end fudge to cover their own backs. These things take time, we have wasted three years, but they are doable with the necessary investment. The issue I have is that the EU have deliberately used the border issue as a political ploy to delay or undermine Brexit ever happening, and wilfully ignored potential solutions.

I don’t give anyone a free pass, but if there is a political will to develop a suitable system then the technology exists to deliver it.....

With respect Pete, that's exactly what you're doing as you haven't mentioned the British government once. You've said numerous times that leaving the EU will force us to take responsibility and not pass the blame. When does that start?
 
With respect Pete, that's exactly what you're doing as you haven't mentioned the British government once. You've said numerous times that leaving the EU will force us to take responsibility and not pass the blame. When does that start?

My issue with this is that May could perhaps have gotten her deal through Parliament if the EU had offered to allow the ‘solution’ that they are now talking about....
 
My issue with this is that May could perhaps have gotten her deal through Parliament if the EU had offered to allow the ‘solution’ that they are now talking about....

Firstly, I haven't read the paper the Mail is referring to, so have no idea how advanced this supposed solution is as the article you plucked it from thankfully went into absolutely no details whatsoever, which is at least in keeping with Tory policy on the matter.

Secondly, even if such technology exists, I would imagine quite considerable testing would be required before the Good Friday Agreement is put to bed. It's a pretty big thing, you know? Not something that can be brushed off with a airy pitch from a startup. It's always been my understanding that the backstop exists for just this purpose, to allow technology to be properly tested to make sure it works, but the Tory extremists opposed that. Why do you think that is?

And thirdly, why do you think it is that the Tory extremists have done no research of their own and have to rely on the EU to (once more) tie their shoelaces for them? Indeed, it begs the question if we have such utter twits running the shoe domestically, why you want to stick with them, and jettison the people who they're relying on to do any kind of work at all.
 
My issue with this is that May could perhaps have gotten her deal through Parliament if the EU had offered to allow the ‘solution’ that they are now talking about....
Except that it isn't a solution. As quoted, it is a way of trying to keep trade flowing between Ireland and the EU via Britain in the event of no deal. It does not solve the border issue nor the complexities of maintaining the all Ireland economy which exists at the moment.

It would be be remiss of the EU to bury its head in the sand and pretend that a no deal will not happen; it it is taking the necessary preparatory steps. As are the Irish government, who have recruited hundreds of extra Revenue staff to deal with the customs chaos that will exist if there is no deal. All that seems to happening in the UK is a load of squabbling about which next PM can deliver the hardest Brexit.

The notion that the EU did not propose this arrangement earlier because they didn't want May's deal (which they spent 2 years negotiating) to get through parliament is frankly laughable.
 
Firstly, I haven't read the paper the Mail is referring to, so have no idea how advanced this supposed solution is as the article you plucked it from thankfully went into absolutely no details whatsoever, which is at least in keeping with Tory policy on the matter.

Secondly, even if such technology exists, I would imagine quite considerable testing would be required before the Good Friday Agreement is put to bed. It's a pretty big thing, you know? Not something that can be brushed off with a airy pitch from a startup. It's always been my understanding that the backstop exists for just this purpose, to allow technology to be properly tested to make sure it works, but the Tory extremists opposed that. Why do you think that is?

And thirdly, why do you think it is that the Tory extremists have done no research of their own and have to rely on the EU to (once more) tie their shoelaces for them? Indeed, it begs the question if we have such utter twits running the shoe domestically, why you want to stick with them, and jettison the people who they're relying on to do any kind of work at all.

I think you are confusing technology with politics. You and I know the process that you have to go through to get a working system. The issue is what are the boundaries and requirements of the system. In political negotiations they will have been set very high and wide by the EU and lower by the U.K. to fit their negotiation position. However now that the EU needs a system for no deal, they will set them a lot lower than originally aspired to by the U.K. I totally agree that the Tories have screwed this up, but let’s not forget who advises them within the civil service. I have done lots of work in the past with the government and I would have argued from the very beginning to get the parameters and requirements detailed and agreed very quickly to determine the final development design to give the engineers appropriate design and development time. That time however has been wasted by both the U.K. and the EU to the detriment of the European people. It is the fault of the Tories, and it is the fault of the EU. They have both screwed up......
 
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