Current Affairs EU In or Out

[roydo]

I agree mate. It’s what I’ve been banging on about for months now to @peteblue and @Barnfred 55 but they seem to just dismiss it out of hand without providing any constructive counter-argument to explain how we could possibly be better off outside the EU in relation to trade deals with the big players other than “oh we’ll be alright”!!!!

The line is generally that we are a big economy and everyone will want to deal with us.

Whilst that is true, the point they fail to either get, or just dismiss, is what Blair is saying. On our own, we hold literally, no cards in a game with the big boys.

Lob in the inconvenient fact that a huge contributor to our economy is pretty much a transient beast, financial services, and that 4th or 5th placed trophy might not be the case in 5 or 10 years time.

But hey, Leave means Leave etc etc

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

The line is generally that we are a big economy and everyone will want to deal with us.

Whilst that is true, the point they fail to either get, or just dismiss, is what Blair is saying. On our own, we hold literally, no cards in a game with the big boys.

Lob in the inconvenient fact that a huge contributor to our economy is pretty much a transient beast, financial services, and that 4th or 5th placed trophy might not be the case in 5 or 10 years time.

But hey, Leave means Leave etc etc

Yup pretty much standard response from the gammons.

We would get deals “eventually” with US, India, China and Canada but they would bend us over and dry bum us first and we’d have to say

“Thank you sir, may I have some more”

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yup pretty much standard response from the gammons.

We would get deals “eventually” with US, India, China and Canada but they would bend us over and dry bum us first and we’d have to say

“Thank you sir, may I have some more”

As the American ambassador said today - nothing will be off the table in those deals.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

As the American ambassador said today - nothing will be off the table in those deals.

So apart from chlorinated chickens and jarg cheese, we will see the break-up and “privatisation” of the NHS with the big US pharma companies all wading in.

Looks like @Joey66 will have to pay for his viagra in the future.

But hey leave means leave.

 

[roydo]

So apart from chlorinated chickens and jarg cheese, we will see the break-up and “privatisation” of the NHS with the big US pharma companies all wading in.

Looks like @Joey66 will have to pay for his viagra.

But hey leave means leave.

I would be astonished if US pharma companies dont do business with the NHS as it is. Difference would be, it would be on their terms, more than ours.

 

[zzr45]

I would be astonished if US pharma companies dont do business with the NHS as it is. Difference would be, it would be on their terms, more than ours.

Without forgetting that we’d be paying more for drugs due to tariffs and the devaluation of the pound. We’d also miss out on access to research and reduce the likelihood of bringing in staff to cover gaps. The NHS will be shafted.

 

[Aberblue]

Blair is 100% spot on here. The trouble is, the Brexiteers will simply say (as do the Corbynistas) "Tony Blair ... liar ... Tory ... Iraq ......Centrist" and attack the man rather than the argument.

 

[Mr. White]

Blair is 100% spot on here. The trouble is, the Brexiteers will simply say (as do the Corbynistas) "Tony Blair ... liar ... Tory ... Iraq ......Centrist" and attack the man rather than the argument.

The man is a Warmonger. He repeatedly refers to 'power' in this interview. An unhealthy obsession with power is a central tenet of being a megalomaniac.

A broken clock can be right a couple of times a day. Forgive me for not caring about the opinion of a man responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Blair is 100% spot on here. The trouble is, the Brexiteers will simply say (as do the Corbynistas) "Tony Blair ... liar ... Tory ... Iraq ......Centrist" and attack the man rather than the argument.

You can’t separate the man and the argument though. They aren’t two separate entities. I may agree with stuff he says but he has a poisoned legacy. He can make no difference to anything

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

The man is a Warmonger. He repeatedly refers to 'power' in this interview. An unhealthy obsession with power is a central tenet of being a megalomaniac.

A broken clock can be right a couple of times a day. Forgive me for not caring about the opinion of a man responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

You can’t separate the man and the argument though. They aren’t two separate entities. I may agree with stuff he says but he has a poisoned legacy. He can make no difference to anything

no but what he’s saying has just been echoed by the words of the US ambassador today who laid out the US case for negotiating a WTO trade deal with us.

Basically say goodbye to the NHS and open the doors to US companies in every sector not just health.

I’m talking utilities, transport manufacturing the whole monty. They will fleece us for our beloved trade deal.

No wonder Trump is in Farages corner as a no deal would work out very nice indeed for the US.

Now add in trade deals we’d need to do with China, Canada, India and you can see the pattern emerging.

We would be sitting ducks

 

[Walken]

So apart from chlorinated chickens and jarg cheese, we will see the break-up and “privatisation” of the NHS with the big US pharma companies all wading in.

Looks like @Joey66 will have to pay for his viagra in the future.

But hey leave means leave.

This is what the brexiteers are willingly doing to us all, but they just love them some democracy right

 

[The binman chronicles]

The Union is very much on its way out if Brexit goes ahead

And this is why no matter how well Brexit goes the economy will continually be hit for 6 with turmoil over uncertainty within the UK. You can see Scotland starting up their push to leave almost straight away if we leave the EU, especially on bad terms. The divorce bill and mechanics of the process will probably take 6-7 years, followed by another 2-3 for NI. All in we could have 15 odd years of government paralysis and doubts for investors before we even start to then being in a situation of normality for a recovery to start to take place.

Absolutely bonkers.

 

[sdk]

You can’t separate the man and the argument though. They aren’t two separate entities. I may agree with stuff he says but he has a poisoned legacy. He can make no difference to anything

Does a discredited legacy change mathematics?

 

[orchard]

Does a discredited legacy change mathematics?

Mine does tbf

 

[tsubaki]

And this is why no matter how well Brexit goes the economy will continually be hit for 6 with turmoil over uncertainty within the UK. You can see Scotland starting up their push to leave almost straight away if we leave the EU, especially on bad terms. The divorce bill and mechanics of the process will probably take 6-7 years, followed by another 2-3 for NI. All in we could have 15 odd years of government paralysis and doubts for investors before we even start to then being in a situation of normality for a recovery to start to take place.

Absolutely bonkers.

Indeed, and one might think that such obvious chaos would be something that a foreign state would like to arrange - especially as, for all our misdeeds in the past, we are the one constant foe to every maniac who wants to take over the world. One would imagine such a state would probably seek to corrupt us from within, paying fortunes to politicians and lobby groups in order for that to happen.