Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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hey @Bruce Wayne good to see the rest of Europe trying to lure us back in by voting against our Eurovision song as normal !

goes to show how we are viewed by the EU , with utter disdain ...

It's us, really is, not that I listen to it. We don't take it seriously, other countries use their equivalent of the ability of Adele or the stage performance of Williams.

We have for decades sent mainly unknowns or very old performer's.

The top UK music acts are very popular in the rest of the EU.

Sheeran and co would not be seen anywhere near Eurovision!?
 
In their annoyance at the people for rejecting their beloved EU, yesterday’s men claimed that the people had been bamboozled by lies, Russian propaganda and their stupidity in not understanding the huge benefits of the EU. Particularly to our establishment. Their real concern was that their own lies and manufactured fears were rejected by the people after forty years’ experience of the rambling shambles that is the EU.


Defeated, they’ve now launched an even bigger programme of lies to put the people back into their box and con them to stay in it and the EU. They’re top grade lies, mostly propagated by the author of the Iraq Dossier as Tony Blair’s representative on earth, one A Campbell. Here are the lies:


DEMOCRACY REQUIRES THE PEOPLE TO VOTE AGAIN


This is really a confidence trick based on the assumption that apathy and fed-upness at being buggered about will reduce the Brexit vote to allow some of the people to reverse the vote of more of them. It can’t be a vote on Mrs May’s solution because Parliament won’t pass it and the politicians can’t agree on any alternative. So the ballot will be “Stay in? Yes or Yes”. The EU will reject any alternative, as it did with Greece’s referendum.


BRITAIN BELONGS AT THE HEART OF EUROPE


Although it’s already relegated to the periphery. Unless it accepts the euro, Schengen, the EU army and the dominance of Germany, it must stay there and unlike most members we won’t get any aid. Only our own money back with their costs taken out.


THE EU IS OUR BEST MARKET


In fact it’s a protective bloc set up to protect French agriculture and German manufacturing. Its share of world trade is declining, the euro wont work and has led to deflation and unemployment. We run a £95 billion deficit which means the export of jobs, money and demand. Membership is a drain not a boost.


LEAVING WOULD BE TO CRASH OVER THE CLIFF EDGE INTO DISASTER


Oddly the rest of the world trades with the EU on WTO terms more successfully than we do as members. They can hardly punish us without damaging themselves and the scare stories of the Treasury and the Bank of England both assume that Brexit would mean deflation. In fact it would compel a Keynesian expansion, the opening of new markets and cheaper food.


WE’D BE ALONE AND IGNORED


Yet small nations are the most successful; independent nations are growing faster because they can manage their economies to suit their own purposes. Outside a bloc designed to suit France and Germany, so can we.


BREXIT WOULD BE DISASTROUS FOR BUSINESS


Small business doesn’t trade with the EU. The assumption is that British business has no guts, no resilience, can’t compete in other markets and is totally dependent on trade agreements negotiated by the EU in its interest not ours. British complacency might benefit from a shock, as Australia and New Zealand did when Britain betrayed them to join the EU.


There is however one element of truth – though it’s one they don’t tell. Our leaders love the EU because it gives them a bigger stage to strut on, an excuse for their failures and the illusion that they’re still important – the only satisfaction left to them, after screwing up Britain.
I have a small business that trades with the eu as do thousands. Leavers love quoting facts that are nothing of the sort.
 
I did say that you haven't accepted the legal definition of racism in the past so I didn't expect you to do so now either.
Of course you do mean "your" interpretation of the legal definition. Which you have also sold to the other mods enabling you to dish out your racist slurs like they were sweets.
 
farage didn't rise because of an ability to debate, deliberate youtube snippets aided him far more. to see this vile racist embarrassed in the same way is delightful

That's very true, but as you can see with the method these people use, it's very much a case of creating a portrayal of victimhood, us against a perceived majority/elite, you finally have someone that speaks for you. It's utter nonsense of course, but large numbers appear to have bought into the shtick. God only knows how you put the genie back in the bottle. I'll admit it myself, I agree with Clinton that a lot of these people are deplorables and I lack any connection or empathy for many of them, but equally accept that calling someone deplorable isn't going to turn them to your cause, which as the deplorables seem to be in the majority right now, is something that needs to happen.
 
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