Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Come on mate, that's a huge association fallacy and you're obviously intelligent enough to know it. Just because most / all racists voted leave, in no way means all leave voters are racist.
I'm not even close to suggesting that.

I was amazed at the platform given to prominent Islamophobes and racists at the Leave march by organisers. Yet it's greeted as 'growing support' and championed for publicity it gives and 'strengthening the Leave argument'. It should be much more vocally called out otherwise you let these people dominate the narrative. If I found myself at a rally and supporting a position championed by any of that I'll, I'd seriously consider if it was the right thing, at the very least I would be keen that they couldn't control the future direction.

I would also note that this thread has much more disagreement among remain advocates, whereas the Leave contingent champion and applaud anyone who shares their veiw, no matter how bizarre, uniformed or ludicrous a stance it is.

Case in point, go back through the thread and find one leave voter telling @Joey66 he is wrong about the EU banning salt, because he is, everyone but him knows he is, but it's happily ignored as he is seen by the leave contingent as 'one of us'

Its a stance that has just become more and more entrenched:
Leave broke electoral rules, Russian collusion, experts warnings, attacking parliament, attacking the Lord's (then heralding the Lord's), heralding the queen (then attacking her), complete disregard for almost everything that was said prior to the actual referendum which has no morphed into 'everyone wanted no deal', dismissing any warnings as 'project fear'

Despite all of that, for many the position hasn't softened it's hardened to the point that they now would actively rather inflict more misery and hardship on people because of an unwillingness to admit, even in the smallest degree that they may have been wrong.
 
the far right are bolting themselves on to the leave vote... I doesn't mean every leaver supports them.

Never said all leave. However, those organising the leaves purposely went out and courted the far right be that directly or indirectly with very suggestive posters carefully scripted speeches and various other means (social media). I take issue with your suggestion that far right have bolted themselves on, they were openly invited.
 
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the far right are bolting themselves on to the leave vote... I doesn't mean every leaver supports them.

Thats the kernel of all this though. I admit its a poor point of attack, but folk who voted leave CAN be said to be agreeing with what the far right want. As in they voted the same way as them.

Its an illuminating point that many have said, and shows the shallowness of a binary referendum.

I would never accuse anyone who voted leave as being a racist. But if those who did get offended by implied association, not really sure what we can do. Because anyone who voted leave voted the same way as Tommy and his mates. In the same way as a remainer, I could be associated with the lunatic EU/Euro fanatics. Which I aint.

Sad state of affairs the UK at the moment. Think we can all agree on that.
 
I'm not even close to suggesting that.

I was amazed at the platform given to prominent Islamophobes and racists at the Leave march by organisers. Yet it's greeted as 'growing support' and championed for publicity it gives and 'strengthening the Leave argument'. It should be much more vocally called out otherwise you let these people dominate the narrative. If I found myself at a rally and supporting a position championed by any of that I'll, I'd seriously consider if it was the right thing, at the very least I would be keen that they couldn't control the future direction.

I would also note that this thread has much more disagreement among remain advocates, whereas the Leave contingent champion and applaud anyone who shares their veiw, no matter how bizarre, uniformed or ludicrous a stance it is.

Case in point, go back through the thread and find one leave voter telling @Joey66 he is wrong about the EU banning salt, because he is, everyone but him knows he is, but it's happily ignored as he is seen by the leave contingent as 'one of us'

Its a stance that has just become more and more entrenched:
Leave broke electoral rules, Russian collusion, experts warnings, attacking parliament, attacking the Lord's (then heralding the Lord's), heralding the queen (then attacking her), complete disregard for almost everything that was said prior to the actual referendum which has no morphed into 'everyone wanted no deal', dismissing any warnings as 'project fear'

Despite all of that, for many the position hasn't softened it's hardened to the point that they now would actively rather inflict more misery and hardship on people because of an unwillingness to admit, even in the smallest degree that they may have been wrong.
Posting wham oh by the way found a carton of sodium chloride weedkiller in my greenhouse put it to good use..... thought of you.....as I distributed it...:p
 
Posting wham oh by the way found a carton of sodium chloride weedkiller in my greenhouse put it to good use..... thought of you.....as I distributed it...:p
It's not even worth discussing at this point and I dont want to embarrass you any further, as I'm sure you'll just use it as a further excuse to play the victim card.
 
the far right are bolting themselves on to the leave vote... I doesn't mean every leaver supports them.
They aren't bolting themselves on though are they. It wasn't an afterthought for the far right, they have been there all along spreading their bile.

They can only thrive with hatred and division, so have and continue to generate more of it. 'No Deal' will only strengthen them further.
 
I'm not even close to suggesting that.

I was amazed at the platform given to prominent Islamophobes and racists at the Leave march by organisers. Yet it's greeted as 'growing support' and championed for publicity it gives and 'strengthening the Leave argument'. It should be much more vocally called out otherwise you let these people dominate the narrative. If I found myself at a rally and supporting a position championed by any of that I'll, I'd seriously consider if it was the right thing, at the very least I would be keen that they couldn't control the future direction.

I would also note that this thread has much more disagreement among remain advocates, whereas the Leave contingent champion and applaud anyone who shares their veiw, no matter how bizarre, uniformed or ludicrous a stance it is.

Case in point, go back through the thread and find one leave voter telling @Joey66 he is wrong about the EU banning salt, because he is, everyone but him knows he is, but it's happily ignored as he is seen by the leave contingent as 'one of us'

Its a stance that has just become more and more entrenched:
Leave broke electoral rules, Russian collusion, experts warnings, attacking parliament, attacking the Lord's (then heralding the Lord's), heralding the queen (then attacking her), complete disregard for almost everything that was said prior to the actual referendum which has no morphed into 'everyone wanted no deal', dismissing any warnings as 'project fear'

Despite all of that, for many the position hasn't softened it's hardened to the point that they now would actively rather inflict more misery and hardship on people because of an unwillingness to admit, even in the smallest degree that they may have been wrong.
My point was that you were specifically responding to @Barnfred 55 's very reasonable statement that it's not on to make generalised accusations of racism just based on how they voted in a referendum, with a question asking him how many prominent far right racists are actively supporting remain. We all know the answer to that, practically none (if any). But in relation to Barnfred's statement, your question was completely irrelevant, and seemed a very odd question to ask as a response.
 
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