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[ianefc]

@Whistlin' Dixie

Just had a look back at what you were pulling me up on mate.

Ironically some of these scroats happily claiming benefits because they say that they can't get a job, may now be forced into work. The same scroats that have issues with migrants.

I think that is clear reference to people able bodied and mentally OK to work that just won't, probably because they don't want to work for minimum wage? Or because the just don't want to work?

Not because they can't work, that's a whole other issue, one that I have absolutely no issue with, not did it even cross my mind.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Gonna have to involve meself again here to say "Great post"...And coming from someone who I disagree with on the referendum.

@ianefc.

Little bit of background here. I survive on 'benefits' Before the family (Well, the mother) of the lad I look after gave me the opportunity to look after him & claim carer's allowance and Income support, I was claiming JSA.

For my £10 a day, I had to become some sort of circus performer. I had to go to the 'welfare to work' programme once a month as well as sign every fortnight. "W2W programme - what's that?" I hear you say....Well let me tell you. It's where they send us 'scroungers' at the taxpayers expense to do mundane courses such as how to wipe our own arses, as shown here...

Nothing to do with them helping the 'doleites' finding work, everything to do with them stopping people's benefits if they were 5 mins late for an appointment, or even as much as disagreed with their agents.

I know - I seen it first hand meself. They changed my CV without my approval. They made up job descriptions for entirely different jobs I'd done. How does a postman suddenly manage/supervise a team of 8 warehouse operatives? I refused to use their CV, and they threatened to stop my dole.....Until I told them they be accomplices to the charge of 'Obtaining pecuniary advantage by deception' if the potential employer found out I'd never done what they wrote I'd done.

They soon changed their mind.... Not that it mattered, because the employer couldn't have contacted me by phone....Because they put someone else's number on my CV!

But the fact is, if I'd have got a job off my own bat, they'd have been paid YOUR tax pounds for me finding the work - even though they'd do sod-all....So who's the 'scrounger' there?

Don't tell me I couldn't find work, and don't generalise about people on benefits...And a lot of them are disabled, and a lot are black or ethnic minority; so not only is it unfair, it's also indirect casual racism, too.

Where was the EU in all of this? Well they didn't do much for my employment prospects, did they? They also stood idly by while disabled people have been hounded to find work when it's patently obvious they can't work. Some have even committed suicide after being told they were fit to work - but who'd employ them?

You gonna label them, too? Fortunately, the lad I care for doesn't need to go for a work capability assessment, but I know some of his friends have had to, and even I know they're not fit to work.

Your attitude to the less well off stinks, quite frankly.




Hark at Jamie Oliver there...Can't have been much on, on their 50" telly's then, eh?

*Oh, and it's 'Leeches'... Even them immigrants know that

I can't even be bothered....

If you think it's alright to have more children than you can afford to support, then great, that's your opinion.

My terminology may have been crass, but I'm sticking with what I said.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

You're using one scenario that paints what I said in a bad light, if you think, on the other hand that there aren't people 'playing the game' then I'd say it's a touch naive. The benefits system is there to be used not abused. If it's used and not abused then who am I or who is anyone to have an issue with it? The answer is nobody, as I wouldn't.

Hang on a moment....

You've just mentioned the daily mail telling lies....And yet you portray that there's people 'swinging the lead' and 'abusing the system', like the mail does.

Know how much is lost in 'fraud, ERROR and OVERPAYMENT'?

It's 0.7% of the welfare budget mate. Take note of the last two words, fraud is only one of the three. You'd have it (Like the mail does) as rampantly out of control.

What's the amount lost by aggressive tax avoidance, facilitated by the EU???

 

[ianefc]

Hang on a moment....

You've just mentioned the daily mail telling lies....And yet you portray that there's people 'swinging the lead' and 'abusing the system', like the mail does.

Know how much is lost in 'fraud, ERROR and OVERPAYMENT'?

It's 0.7% of the welfare budget mate. Take note of the last two words, fraud is only one of the three. You'd have it (Like the mail does) as rampantly out of control.

What's the amount lost by aggressive tax avoidance, facilitated by the EU???

First of all, don't switch what we are talking about, I'm still trying to clear that other comment up. Secondly, are you saying there are no benefit cheats?

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

@Whistlin' Dixie

Just had a look back at what you were pulling me up on mate.



I think that is clear reference to people able bodied and mentally OK to work that just won't, probably because they don't want to work for minimum wage? Or because the just don't want to work?

Not because they can't work, that's a whole other issue, one that I have absolutely no issue with, not did it even cross my mind.

I don't deny there's folks abusing the system. And may they burn for it.

But you've made it out as though it's far bigger than what it is. There are no decent jobs out there - they're all ZHC's and NMW part-time jobs ffs. They're no good to anyone.

 

[ianefc]

I don't deny there's folks abusing the system. And may they burn for it.

But you've made it out as though it's far bigger than what it is. There are no decent jobs out there - they're all ZHC's and NMW part-time jobs ffs. They're no good to anyone.

Why are they, I'm going to Florida my cousin and her husband in December, he works at sports direct. Can't all be bad. Although much like what you just did, that's only one example, admittedly.

 

[Ollie d]

Timed the exit well..

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....rstate-Brexit/amp?client=ms-android-motorola#

European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit

The British to stand up to the NWO !

Is there a more blinkered and hate ridden rag then the Express?

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Why are they, I'm going to Florida my cousin and her husband in December, he works at sports direct. Can't all be bad. Although much like what you just did, that's only one example, admittedly.

How nice for him.

How many working at sports direct aren't going?

 

[ianefc]

I don't deny there's folks abusing the system. And may they burn for it.

But you've made it out as though it's far bigger than what it is. There are no decent jobs out there - they're all ZHC's and NMW part-time jobs ffs. They're no good to anyone.

BTW thanks for clearing up the point I was making. Pretty annoyed that you would think I was referencing people in need, when my whole argument has been that we may end up failing people in need, whilst risking the economy and its value.

 

[ianefc]

How nice for him.

How many working at sports direct aren't going?

I have no idea, point is, if he can afford that extra luxury then surely a better standard of life than benefits is achievable, when benefits aren't actually needed, in terms of being disabled and other genuine needs for help.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Why are they

You really have no idea, do you?

Never heard how it was in the late 19th/early 20th century, with the dockers & the 'woolybacks'? That's what ZHC's are about. A race to the bottom.

And that's 'progression'? pfft!

To claim universal credit/tax credits, you now have to spend 30+ hours per week looking for more/better paid work. If you don't find it, they jib you off.

People have been forced (Under threat of losing their benefits) to become self employed as avon ladies and the like, by them parasitical W2W agencies, so they can claim their £000's of YOUR tax pounds for simply getting people off the unemployment figures. Now, when their tax returns go in, if they haven't earned the equivalent 30 hours per week @NMW, not only do they have their tax credits recovered (And rescinded), they get a civil penalty, too.

ZHC's are no good to nobody except the businesses themselves. The EU has done very little to provide decent, well-paid employment for the lower classes in this country...And nor has our Govt. They, along with big businesses, have encouraged it by getting immigrants in to do these jobs, and then blaming the natives for not forfeiting the rights that their (Now apparently unwilling, or perhaps impotent) unions fought for.

And with that, I'm back out of the thread.

 

[Blue 1]

Sorry to divert the conversation but here's a bit of advice:

Everyone knows buses are for made up bollocks.

 

[Efcjake]

Gonna have to involve meself again here to say "Great post"...And coming from someone who I disagree with on the referendum.

@ianefc.

Little bit of background here. I survive on 'benefits' Before the family (Well, the mother) of the lad I look after gave me the opportunity to look after him & claim carer's allowance and Income support, I was claiming JSA.

For my £10 a day, I had to become some sort of circus performer. I had to go to the 'welfare to work' programme once a month as well as sign every fortnight. "W2W programme - what's that?" I hear you say....Well let me tell you. It's where they send us 'scroungers' at the taxpayers expense to do mundane courses such as how to wipe our own arses, as shown here...

Nothing to do with them helping the 'doleites' finding work, everything to do with them stopping people's benefits if they were 5 mins late for an appointment, or even as much as disagreed with their agents.

I know - I seen it first hand meself. They changed my CV without my approval. They made up job descriptions for entirely different jobs I'd done. How does a postman suddenly manage/supervise a team of 8 warehouse operatives? I refused to use their CV, and they threatened to stop my dole.....Until I told them they be accomplices to the charge of 'Obtaining pecuniary advantage by deception' if the potential employer found out I'd never done what they wrote I'd done.

They soon changed their mind.... Not that it mattered, because the employer couldn't have contacted me by phone....Because they put someone else's number on my CV!

But the fact is, if I'd have got a job off my own bat, they'd have been paid YOUR tax pounds for me finding the work - even though they'd do sod-all....So who's the 'scrounger' there?

Don't tell me I couldn't find work, and don't generalise about people on benefits...And a lot of them are disabled, and a lot are black or ethnic minority; so not only is it unfair, it's also indirect casual racism, too.

Where was the EU in all of this? Well they didn't do much for my employment prospects, did they? They also stood idly by while disabled people have been hounded to find work when it's patently obvious they can't work. Some have even committed suicide after being told they were fit to work - but who'd employ them?

You gonna label them, too? Fortunately, the lad I care for doesn't need to go for a work capability assessment, but I know some of his friends have had to, and even I know they're not fit to work.

Your attitude to the less well off stinks, quite frankly.

There's a film out recently, called 'I, Daniel Blake'....Haven't seen it meself, yet, but I know the synopsis. I suggest you watch it when you can, you appear in need of education on the matter.




Hark at Jamie Oliver there...Can't have been much on, on their 50" telly's then, eh?

*Oh, and it's 'Leeches'... Even them immigrants know that

Look, I'll just say now that I wasn't attacking anyone on benefits as being a scrounger or a leech. I was only commenting on those people who continue to have kids they cannot afford solely to increase their child benefit payments. I've been on JSA and scrounged and struggled as well, I think what has happened recently to the benefits program under the Tories to be absolutely shocking, it was already a labour to get your pittance before they came in. I'm not some sort of Libertarian, I grew up working class as well and I'm not trying to make out here like I'm above that or anything just that I know there are SOME ways to escape that situation that can be pursued. I know it is hard to do, I was only suggesting that it is not quite impossible.

I would probably suggest looking into that course on loo paper and washing because it probably was not meant for regular job seekers but for some immigrants who come from countries that do not use toilet paper. I've met some and they do bleedin stink.

 

[ianefc]

You really have no idea, do you?

Never heard how it was in the late 19th/early 20th century, with the dockers & the 'woolybacks'? That's what ZHC's are about. A race to the bottom.

And that's 'progression'? pfft!

To claim universal credit/tax credits, you now have to spend 30+ hours per week looking for more/better paid work. If you don't find it, they jib you off.

People have been forced (Under threat of losing their benefits) to become self employed as avon ladies and the like, by them parasitical W2W agencies, so they can claim their £000's of YOUR tax pounds for simply getting people off the unemployment figures. Now, when their tax returns go in, if they haven't earned the equivalent 30 hours per week @NMW, not only do they have their tax credits recovered (And rescinded), they get a civil penalty, too.

ZHC's are no good to nobody except the businesses themselves. The EU has done very little to provide decent, well-paid employment for the lower classes in this country...And nor has our Govt. They, along with big businesses, have encouraged it by getting immigrants in to do these jobs, and then blaming the natives for not forfeiting the rights that their (Now apparently unwilling, or perhaps impotent) unions fought for.

And with that, I'm back out of the thread.

You've dragged me all over the gaff here, we started on me saying something about the benefit claimants that choose not to work, you went at me suggesting I was talking about everyone on benefits work able or not. Now we are on ZHC to which I agree aren't ideal, but are they going to go away now? Hopefully, but prior to this date, if it were good enough for immigrants to forge a living why are British citizens above it? Needs must. Ideal world we'd all be on 20k plus, have surplus money to boost the economy and everything would be hunky dory.

Because of this vote and more importantly the reasons people have voted, in some cases, we are facing financial issues. I read today that a famed Market Predictor has predicted parity between the £ - $ before the turn of the decade. Our economy will have nose dived if that happens, any form of recession will put more people in need of benefits aswell.

In terms of employment, whilst we are on it, the EU are responsible for the holiday pay and maternity pay are statutory rights to us. So not all bad?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

May be so.

Daft thing is, if people can't see this is the ultimate direction the EU is heading in anyway, then they need to take the blinkers off. It's call a slow drip process, folks...

And this is back in 2014:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ed-States-of-Europe-says-top-EU-official.html

There will be things where it is, and things where it isn't. For instance, I was at a trade show today for the car industry, and automation was a major theme of the event. It makes absolute sense for the EU to get involved there as a big part of their remit is to provide a unified regulatory environment to support this kind of innovation. This is purely practical so that you don't have different rules, whether for technology, insurance or what not, as you drive through the different countries. It makes it much easier and safer for both manufacturers and consumers.

In a globalised world there are many things where it is logical to cooperate internationally on regulations. That shouldn't be taken to mean we're having one world government however