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JEBUS_LIVES said:
Sorry I've indugled this enough.

Sodium Chloride and Sodium Chlorate (which is banned) have different chemical compounds because they are different substances.

Sodium Chloride is NaCL
Sodium Chlorate is NaCLO3

One is hazardous to health and the environment and can be used to make bombs.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Sodium chlorate - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

The other is salt. The EU haven't banned salt.
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Exactly the same sprinkled on our roads in winter .......that enters our waterways more directly you can't see that ignorance is bliss it is not far off the chemical common salt ......
 
Joey66 said:
Exactly the same sprinkled on our roads in winter .......that enters our waterways more directly you can't see that ignorance is bliss it is not far off the chemical common salt ......
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It must be me or something I’m not getting but isn’t rock salt sprinkled on the roads ? So that’s not sodium chlorate is it ? If you mix rock salt with sugar does it explode because chlorate does unless I’m remembering wrongly . If I’m wrong I honestly didn’t know it did . I’m honestly baffled by an argument that’s either going completely over my head or is an argument about apples and oranges .
 
Barnfred 55 said:
The mood in this thread very much mirrors the mood in Parliament today. Both sides are slagging each other off in here, and in parliament all most MPs are doing is laying blame, instead of trying to come up with some plan, acceptable cross party, to move forward with.

Bercow has to take some responsibility for this. His insistence that Mays deal can not be brought before Parliament again has resulted in the ridiculous motion being brought today. A motion, incidentally, that prevents any amendments being tabled that could be considered conciliatory because it doesn't allow discussions on the future relationship. Such as that tendered by Lisa Nandy, or the Customs Union option that did quite well in indicative votes.

I'm sure nobody needs reminding that today is the last day that acceptance of the withdrawal agreement can happen. So after today, the three options on the table are leave with no deal on 12 April, revoke article 50 and request a long extension from the EU.

In my opinion anybody who believe leaving with no deal will not cause a lot of harm to our economy, and risk to jobs, has their heads in the sand. I don't think it will be the absolute disaster that loads on here are predicting, but try telling that to the unlucky sods who lose their jobs.

But likewise, anybody who believes that revoking article 50 will solve everything is equally deluded. If I'm not mistaken the turnout of the electorate in the referendum was the highest ever, and over half of them were, for whatever reason, unhappy being members of the EU. That will not have changed and if anything their resolve will have been hardened not weakened. They will continue to fight their cause and that fight will begin with the European elections in May.

The EU have said that any request for a longer extension made before April 12th has to be accompanied by a detailed plan forward that carries a majority in the house. Good luck on that. The other issue is that it only takes one of the 27 to veto the extension to put a spanner in the works. So there is a real risk that we could leave on 1 April with no deal, despite parliament, and most likely the vast majority of the country, being against this. Even if the EU grant an extension, lets be in no doubt that it will come with conditions and at significant cost (financially). And with it comes another 2 years of uncertainty, will we won't we, which is one of the biggest issues business owners have when deciding whether or not to invest.

I have genuine fears that staying in the EU or becoming involved in a lengthy extension will open the doors to far right infiltration of mainstream politics. God knows where that could lead. Plus a lengthy extension will undoubtedly result in Parliament, for the next 2 years, being so wound up with Brexit that other, much more important issues, get ignored or, at best, temporarily shelved.

At a time when we should be putting differences and blame to one side, and coming together for the good of the country, most people are as divided as ever and red lines still rule the day. Nowhere near enough people are prepared to compromise and, whichever side you are on, I can't see this ending well.
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@Bruce Wayne is full of bile today !

I want to just get on with Brexit and put our differences aside..
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
Nobody's been slagging each other off in here today.
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Are you for real?

I specifically said both sides. I didn't say individuals, although there is a small amount of that too. I'm talking about people making posts and linking material slagging off or taking the piss out of the other side. It is predominantly from the remain side but the leave side isn't free from blame. Today's thread is so full of it I actually stopped counting when I got into double figures after the first few pages. You probably didn't notice because you were too busy laughing at the posts, or should I say the ones you agreed with.
 
Joey66 said:
Exactly the same sprinkled on our roads in winter .......that enters our waterways more directly you can't see that ignorance is bliss it is not far off the chemical common salt ......
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They are literally not the same thing. Like when you bond oxygen to hydrogen, suddenly you get water.

NaCL
NaCLO3

The difference is that the Chloride can't undergo any reduction reactions, whereas Chlorate and does.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Are you for real?

I specifically said both sides. I didn't say individuals, although there is a small amount of that too. I'm talking about people making posts and linking material slagging off or taking the piss out of the other side. It is predominantly from the remain side but the leave side isn't free from blame. Today's thread is so full of it I actually stopped counting when I got into double figures after the first few pages. You probably didn't notice because you were too busy laughing at the posts, or should I say the ones you agreed with.
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I thought it's been pretty civil.
 
Harryflashman said:
It must be me or something I’m not getting but isn’t rock salt sprinkled on the roads ? So that’s not sodium chlorate is it ? If you mix rock salt with sugar does it explode because chlorate does unless I’m remembering wrongly . If I’m wrong I honestly didn’t know it did . I’m honestly baffled by an argument that’s either going completely over my head or is an argument about apples and oranges .
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If mixing salt with sugar was explosive, baking would be much more dangerous.
 
Joey66 said:
Exactly the same sprinkled on our roads in winter .......that enters our waterways more directly you can't see that ignorance is bliss it is not far off the chemical common salt ......
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From what I understand Joe, table salt is exactly what they put on the roads. The road salt is the natural form of sodium chloride, whereas table salt has been purified.

https://www.thoughtco.com/chemical-composition-of-road-salt-609168

"Road salt is halite, which is the natural mined mineral form of table salt or sodium chloride (NaCl). While table salt has been purified, rock salt contains mineral impurities, so it is typically brownish or gray in color. Machines mine the salt, which is crushed and packaged for delivery. Additives may be mixed with the road salt to prevent caking and ease delivery using gritting machines. Examples of additives include sodium hexacyanoferrate(II) and sugar. "
 
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