Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Well there's been some pretty stupid things in here, but I think that was a winner.
You told me democracy isn't democracy if it can't change its mind..

Well plenty of Americans would have wanted to change the trump result would they not..

But guess what... That would have been undemocratic!

Just like our referendum rrsult
 
It's a 2 party state. Three quarters of the population will vote tory or labour regardless in any circumstances.

I'm pretty certain the tories will win the next election with a majority but certainly not a 97 type landslide.
The Tories scraped through the last one and that was with the carrot of brexit. The mask has slipped and their voters are proper fewmin and will defect to UKIP in droves. Less so with Labour I think they'll keep enough of the tribal voters to win easily.
 
The Tories scraped through the last one and that was with the carrot of brexit. The mask has slipped and their voters are proper fewmin and will defect to UKIP in droves. Less so with Labour I think they'll keep enough of the tribal voters to win easily.

Ukip are absolutely finished. Even Farage ditched them. The tories will go pro brexit with a new leader at the next election to avoid losing their core vote. Can see every other party getting squeezed. Even SNP. Tories and labour to mop up about 600 seats.
 
You told me democracy isn't democracy if it can't change its mind..

Well plenty of Americans would have wanted to change the trump result would they not..

But guess what... That would have been undemocratic!

Just like our referendum rrsult
I never said the first bit

Plenty of Americans wanted to, but he won a presidential campaign, which is for a fixed term not an indefinite period. It's also an election not a referendum, which are legally two separate things.

Presidential democratic systems are different to parliamentary democracy.

You're confusing law with the democratic system of government.

And you're a bad troll or a legit idiot. I think probably a combination of the two.
 
I never said the first bit

Plenty of Americans wanted to, but he won a presidential campaign, which is for a fixed term not an indefinite period. It's also an election not a referendum, which are legally two separate things.

Presidential democratic systems are different to parliamentary democracy.

You're confusing law with the democratic system of government.

And you're a bad troll or a legit idiot. I think probably a combination of the two.
Why do you insist on making things personal??
 
Ukip are absolutely finished. Even Farage ditched them. The tories will go pro brexit with a new leader at the next election to avoid losing their core vote. Can see every other party getting squeezed. Even SNP. Tories and labour to mop up about 600 seats.
They can say whatever they want, nobody will buy it. And feel free to vault this prediction of a shedload of UKIP votes, but probably no seats given how the system works. Therefore I'm sticking my neck out on a Labour majority.
 
Likewise mate. Quite bizarre yet somewhat enticing, the eternal wrangling between remainers and leavers quite a few of them not wanting to give an inch.

Especially if you were living in the UK; it should have been clear that the political/administrative elite has been checking out from Brussels for ages. It’s not hard to see what your politicians have been up to. All very accessible on the EP site/and similar.

And now they are suddenly springing into action. You would think that during one of the previous years somebody could have initiated a period of self-reflection, and said: “look what our elected politicians are doing”. So as a result my sympathy for a lot of remainers (especially the prominent ones) is a bit limited.

(again) Apart from on a personal level; like if you have a EU-spouse, if you see your dreams thwarted by Brexit (e.g: something simple as having to pay third country university fees), you’re undergoing cancer treatment etc…

They lack positive stories. Even now really. Well I suppose you have those that say; “we will stay in and reform the EU” – then I think no you won’t history has shown that, it’s a national speciality to make every form of reform difficult. Some of those placards during their march were somewhat funny though; like the one in the post above with the dog and passport stating ‘you tell him he can’t go skiing next year’- I think it’s amusing but I suppose if you’re poor that doesn’t exactly speak to you. The leavers (not all obviously) annoy me mostly because they reach different levels of spreading fake rumours/lack of knowledge.

I just wish though that those that are malcontent start blaming the correct culprit: largely your elected politicians. Probably won’t stop most the keep voting the same though. Mind you, a two-party voting system isn’t for me. Since I was 18 I have very rarely voted for the same party. Most of the time I also differentiate between the levels. Communal / Provincial / Community / Regional /Federal/European.

I suppose you could argue that the U.K is London/England centric, but that’s not a matter for the E.U. Go for a state-reform/independence vote/you name it. Can imagine the frustration, if e.g: you’re living in NI, and then you get this forced upon you. Mind you if you live there I don’t think you should have had high hopes in the first place; I mean you have to endure gaffs like getting Karen Brady as your state secretary (unaware of voting on sectarian lines …) – send their best obviously.

Ps: if you’re interested in a job for the EU, you can always apply here – all welcome: https://epso.europa.eu/home_en . In addition, they employ @Bruce Wayne from time to time.



Very unrelated, apologize in advance but the EU has actually made it easier to get out of mobile phone contracts. EU consumer law is very well developed. One of the things that somewhat irks me is that a lot of people are unaware. Like in some discount retail stores; when you buy a television and they try to sell you an unnecessary additional insurance since it's already covered etc...



The European jersey actually indirectly ruined it for van Aert.

It was a play on perception not a metaphor. ;)
 
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