Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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dandydan said:
But not on the books so to speak. Been saying for ages if brexit gets scuppered then the likes of are Nige will be looked on with nostalgia for his moderate stance.
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It’s certainly possible. Don’t think Nige will be too arsed with a 2nd referendum though. Means he has an opportunity to be relevant again and make a stack load more cash. Which I personally believe was all he was after in the first place.
 
roydo said:
Difficult to read the mood music isnt it? That petition, and the march, were both well supported, which shows nothing more than a lot of folk are pretty cheesed off, and would like the whole thing canned.

But that said, there were popular marches and that against the Iraq war, and the hunting ban. Changed nothing. Will a rump from both major parties, plus the SNP, think there is a real possibility of playing to this new gallery and forcing a revoke of A50? (If they actually can that is).

Weird days.
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no deal would be an absolute disaster... but in the long run, summarily cancelling article 50 could be even worse.

a second referendum is dangerous enough, but if brexit is to be called off altogether, it has to be the bare minimum in terms of the means by which this could come about.
 
roydo said:
Like 60% of our food is domestic anyrate I believe.
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it sounds easy enough to absorb when you put it like that, but the Calais-Dover link does more shipping than every other port in the country combined, and it struggles to accommodate the load as it is - not to mention that most of the food grown here is harvested by people whose legal right to do so rests of membership of the EU.

international logistics is ever so slightly more complicated than Civilisation IV - and should 40% of a densly-populated but cold and remote island's food supply suddenly be snarled up in traffic pile-ups and eternal legal squabbling, the social and economic consequences are well beyond what anyone could conceivably forecast.

roydo said:
That said, WINE!!!!!!! FFFS!!!!

*heads to offie*
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*edit* on a more positive note, climate change could mean that the Kent 2030 vintage is positively moreish!
 
abelard said:
it sounds easy enough to absorb when you put it like that, but the Calais-Dover link does more shipping than every other port in the country combined, and it struggles to accommodate the load as it is - not to mention that most of the food grown here is harvested by people whose legal right to do so rests of membership of the EU.

international logistics is ever so slightly more complicated than Civilisation IV - and should 40% of a densly-populated but cold and remote island's food supply suddenly be snarled up in traffic pile-ups and eternal legal squabbling, the social and economic consequences are well beyond what anyone could conceivably forecast.
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Yeah, I know. What I dont know is what exactly, (apart from the bleeding obvious) is manufactured and distributed wholly in the UK. Ergo, wouldnt have a clue what to stockpile.
 
roydo said:
Yeah, I know. What I dont know is what exactly, (apart from the bleeding obvious) is manufactured and distributed wholly in the UK. Ergo, wouldnt have a clue what to stockpile.
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Me either.... and it feels silly and surreal (and not a bit futile) to contemplate.

On the other hand, if a corporation or any reasonably-sized public institution faced even a 10% risk of something harmful occurring, every last one of them would have long since taken measures to hedge the risk.

And the risk of a No Deal Brexit at this point is substantially higher than 10%.
 
abelard said:
Me either.... and it feels silly and surreal (and not a bit futile) to contemplate.

On the other hand, if a corporation or any reasonably-sized public institution faced even a 10% risk of something harmful occurring, every last one of them would have long since taken measures to hedge the risk.

And the risk of a No Deal Brexit at this point is substantially higher than 10%.
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As I have said before, the distribution network for everything is an amazing piece of logistics, bordering on witchcraft. But it is very very highly tuned. Folk only notice it when it (rarely) fails.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
It’s certainly possible. Don’t think Nige will be too arsed with a 2nd referendum though. Means he has an opportunity to be relevant again and make a stack load more cash. Which I personally believe was all he was after in the first place.
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He's yesterdays man in the eyes of many kippers. Cut and run for the money in the states instead of sticking it out till things were done.
 
abelard said:
no deal would be an absolute disaster... but in the long run, summarily cancelling article 50 could be even worse.

a second referendum is dangerous enough, but if brexit is to be called off altogether, it has to be the bare minimum in terms of the means by which this could come about.
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If they came out and actually told the truth that as it stands there is no possible way of delivering Brexit without breaking the Good Friday agreement and/or causing irrevocable damage to the union (of the United Kingdom, not the EU...), then I think people would understand on the basis that it be brought back when the situation changes to then allow the discussions to continue.
 
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