Frang
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if there was another vote though mate and it went just in favour of remain in... then where does the country stand then ??
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if there was another vote though mate and it went just in favour of remain in... then where does the country stand then ??
best of 3
rock , paper, scissors??
Fedlingen
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Well it will be over soon she has let a remain. Parliament pick the way they want to go forward from next week , wonder how that will play out?
You want to leave don’t you ?
The onus would then be on the leave side to actually formulate a proactive, structured, and realistic plan to convince the nation that leaving is actually the right way to go with a super majority required to take action.
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One thing you write that I agree with.
The main reason I voted remain is I didnt have a clue what leaving actually meant. Those that voted to leave obviously did. (Or believed the crap they were fed)
On balance, I reckon, I was closer. But another vote, nor a GE, would guarantee to move us one step nearer anything.
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Mate,if the nation voted out again ,then fine.People are now more aware of what the actual F*** they would be voting on.
We don’t need a plan we just need to leave , people have spent decades wanting and campaigning to leave without the vaguest idea how to do it and for some reason when they say Blame the EU and the remainers people still do .
Armel
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At this point I’m fairly certain that I could get more than half to vote for the U.K leaving the E.U. Simply by factually describing the entire membership.
One of the reasons of why during the sixties the U.K was hoping to join was a) to join in on the prosperity resulting from the abolition of tariffs between member-states b) sabotage: member states were talking about further integration, on an agricultural level etc... . They feared a powerful political block. So the best thing to do was join; that way you could influence the plans or torpedo them.
Maastricht. All the opt-outs, the others wanted a closer union. Cue whining Brits because from then on they complained they were not consulted enough about the political plans from the others – even though they wanted nothing to do with it and in quite a few cases campaigned against. Another fine example of one the dreadful things that Brits opposed: a minimum period of maternity leave (honestly I could go on; a week ago a newspaper published a list of all the things the Brits were against and it went on forever). Everything became a fight.
The U.K championed expansion of the E.U ; again served two purposes: 1) bigger market= more money 2) more member states=more difficult decision making process. Side-effect was off course the Eastern and Central-Europeans in the U.K. Already typed something about that.
I noticed you keep mentioning (I mean this in a neutral way btw) the amount of Brits that the E.U employs atm. One of the many reasons is that, somewhere in the years 2000 the U.K scrapped one of the training programs that had resulted in quite a share of the key civil servant jobs in the E.U going to Brits. Too expensive. Around the same time, they started sending over B quality to work groups.
Or to quote Rodgers if you like (the former E.U ambassador), stating that almost all the instructions he received from London were negative: block this, torpedo that …. Again some things are ironical (and again typical of the Brits in the E.U); one of the things he absolutely had to block was Galileo: guess who wants to participate now… .
Another prime piece of Brit cherry picking. The increasing collaboration concerning departments of justice. Brits opted out. Later on they hand-picked a few cherries though: like the European Arrest Warrant.
So to conclude: U.K out is by far the best solution for everyone involved. Ideally later on a Canada deal, taking into account Ireland. The amount of autographs for that petition is irrelevant.
Now we are in a situation where the knowledge concerning the E.U is at an all-time low amongst U.K civil servants and politicians. Many knowledgeable people have been side-tracked. A lot of the MP’s are proposing solutions that are completely unworkable (they lack knowledge) either politically or legally (mostly the latter). May thought that she could cherry-pick like always … Again Rodgers (one of the few people, actually knowledgeable on the topic), tried to explain to her how the internal market worked. She refused to listen thinking again you could cherry-pick when everyone that knows a bit of European law (an introductory course suffices) knows differently, the poor guy resigned quite quickly. And then somehow the idea became wide-spread that the deal isn’t good (again not a thousand ways to do this). What a show.
I’ve not asked for a second ref but I’d imagine if we had one and remained those touting remain would have an idea how it’d pan out . so if we decided to remain and spent two years arguing about how we’d do it without an actual clue how it’d work then maybe you could argue for your third .
I've let us all down!
Frang
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I honestly don't think they are ..
its not like every single voter watches every single question time and peston..
for every @Bruce Wayne there is a @Joey66
the people In The Know, aka the government don't even know what they want , so saying that the majority of the country has a much better idea after what weve just been through doesn't add up.
the government should just get on with what was instructed, as per their job, and deliver it.
we are just watching Pollitian's positioning themselves before the country to save their own jobs.
Frang
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you've let the minority down you mean...
Im not fan of politicians mate and especially not the way they’ve handled this but if you’re a politician and you’re aware of how things might pan out isn’t it your duty to stop something stupid or even dangerous happening ?
Say somebody is building a wall badly and you know it’s so bad it’s dangerous don’t you think you should tell them , or would you say nothing ? You have more knowledge than them because it’s your area of expertise shouldn’t you use that to prevent a situation becoming dangerous?
Frang
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no i let them get right on with it and let it fall down. i then enjoy them getting sacked as they are complety incompetent and shouldnt be doing the job!
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