Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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nsno-chris said:
Customs union doesn't allow for free movement of agri-food products (and others) IIRC. Tariffs and customs checks will be applied at the Border
Presumably that works for both sides. My argument is that the backstop doesn't really benefit us much more than the EU. They don't want it either IMO

God no, this is massive issue because they want to total separation from the EU. No alignment to their rules or regulations which they believe is the same if you follow single set of rules.
I'm not talking about the hard line Brexiteers here. But I would hazard a guess that the majority of ordinary people would want some sort of free trade agreement with the EU. If that involves complying with their standards I'm fairly sure that most would take that. I know I would. Especially if it still gave us the right to negotiate our own trade deals elsewhere and stopped freedom of movement.

Basically, the UK would not be allowed to apply tariffs on EU fish being imported into the UK, but EU would on UK fish being imported into the Union. They will waive this if they are given access to our fishing waters
I totally missed this when I looked over the future relationship statement. This isn't on and I can't believe we will actually agree to it when we start negotiating. This document isn't legally binding.

As it happens, I wouldn't be against allowing reciprocated fishing of waters if it helped lead to a good trade deal. There has to be some give here and fishing rights is one of the bargaining tools we hold.

Again, as above people who for leave (and those like ERG) see this has interference once again by Europe.
I get that Chris.

At the end of the day, a lot of the hardliners accept these guidelines (possibly because they aren't binding) so they can't be too bad. It's the backstop that they object to.
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Joey66 said:
The trade deal I understand comes 2nd - but really did no one in our negotiations not point out a better clarification of a trade deal than 8 pages .....
Also a good idea would have been our divorce bill half for the leave treaty the 1/2 for when the trade bill is completed.....
Simple negotiations that a trade union could and does most days in everyday life........
This has imo been deliberately ballsed up by remainer negotiators ......
3 years....
Also even if we went back with say a different deal the exit deal would not change now the EU have said that....
Let say it's a Norway plus deal,the EU may say NO - eg we get a better deal than Norway they would veto it as we would be getting a more favourable deal.......
Our MPs need to realise we need to leave and honour the sovereignty so the UK can strike worldwide deals independently!
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The timetable was agreed and masterminded by David ''take off my glasses and bite them when making a point to look intelligent'' Davis
 
Joey66 said:
The trade deal I understand comes 2nd - but really did no one in our negotiations not point out a better clarification of a trade deal than 8 pages .....
Also a good idea would have been our divorce bill half for the leave treaty the 1/2 for when the trade bill is completed.....
Simple negotiations that a trade union could and does most days in everyday life........
This has imo been deliberately ballsed up by remainer negotiators ......
3 years....
Also even if we went back with say a different deal the exit deal would not change now the EU have said that....
Let say it's a Norway plus deal,the EU may say NO - eg we get a better deal than Norway they would veto it as we would be getting a more favourable deal.......
Our MPs need to realise we need to leave and honour the sovereignty so the UK can strike worldwide deals independently!
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Bed
 
dwightschrute said:
The timetable was agreed and masterminded by David ''take off my glasses and bite them when making a point to look intelligent'' Davis
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No the EU dominated on each stage of procedures from day one no 1 the first thing was the 39 billion compensation for themselves.......imagine that in the real world like a trade union rep asking for a 100 percent pay rise before negotiations moved on....
That's what happened , and they dictated every procedure of negotiations after that - they could not even give U.K. Nationals living in Europe no 1 priority so our PM could not do it either for our EU residents that should have been no 1 priority - they are an organised polictical Mafia!
 
The binman chronicles said:
That remark was supposed to be in jest and I think most would have seen it for that, yet you decided to actually be pretty narky about a city that yes has issues but is one of the common things that all joins us here.

For what it is worth I live in an equally rural place that someone could have made the exact same comments and I would have seen the funny side.
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Tempers are on short fuses mate. Understandable I suppose.
 
Old Blue 2 said:
In the light of recent developments, I decided to convene a meeting between myself and myself regarding my stated intention to publish a photo on here on 29th March showing the sky had not fallen in.

It was the majority decision, made by myself and myself, that the photo would be posted on 29th March, with the caveat that it might be pushed out a little further if developments elsewhere warranted it.

Myself got angry with myself and pointed out that 29th March was the agreed date and that was the end of it.

Myself said 'Let's wait and see what May and the EU come up with before taking any definitive action'.

Myself said 'Bollocks! It's a photo on 29th March, come what may'.

Keep watching, my little chickadees!
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????? are you okay mert? Having meetings with yourself is not a good sign
 
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Joey66 said:
No the EU dominated on each stage of procedures from day one no 1 the first thing was the 39 billion compensation for themselves.......imagine that in the real world like a trade union rep asking for a 100 percent pay rise before negotiations moved on....
That's what happened , and they dictated every procedure of negotiations after that - they could not even give U.K. Nationals living in Europe no 1 priority so our PM could not do it either for our EU residents that should have been no 1 priority - they are an organised polictical Mafia!
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You're inflicting a burden with geopolitical nuances and possible financial loss on 27 countries, companies in the eu27 and it's people currently working and living in the UK. Compensation isn't a an unfair request. Also the UK had prior to Brexit agreed to quite alot of projects which also, go figure, costs money.

Mafia?? Really. These are people voted in or decided on by people voted in to represent the voters of the EU.
 
edge said:
Don't think anybody on either side could truthfully say they knew the details of each others case for remaining or leaving as it's so wide spread and complexity of every tready ect would require a brain far beyond mine.
Everybody will have there own slant on it some more detailed than others then you will have people who just have a gut feeling about it one way or another and couldn't give you more than a few much used soundbites to back it up, but it's there choice and there x on the ballot papers.
Both sides lied in the run up to the ballot and still do today but they don't alter my veiwpiont in the slightest as I quess it wouldn't many other on both sides.
It's not worth rerunning the ballot argument it's gone , we have to deal with what is on front of us, which is a mess at the moment.
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I agree in terms of how we move forward, and in my opinion, people persisting with the claim that 17.4m votes need to be respected is not the way out of this mess because they voted for an outcome, and not an outcome that had an easy path to follow.

The way out of this is to come up with credible options that Parliament can agree on, or go back to the people. Not to go back to the people with a re run of 2016 but with new options now we know what the situation is.
 
Another issue the leave side have is that the democratic form of Brexit is Theresa May's deal. Not the leave means leave Brexit which would be open to interpretation and doesn't help anyone in negotiating an arrangement.

The country voted in Theresa May in the 2017 election knowing the consequences with her being the one to lead the Brexit negotiations. They can't then complain when the elected representative negotiates a deal they don't like.
 
EFC78 said:
I agree in terms of how we move forward, and in my opinion, people persisting with the claim that 17.4m votes need to be respected is not the way out of this mess because they voted for an outcome, and not an outcome that had an easy path to follow.

The way out of this is to come up with credible options that Parliament can agree on, or go back to the people. Not to go back to the people with a re run of 2016 but with new options now we know what the situation is.
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Back to square one- no thanks - at the end of the day the EU will negotiate in the same manner - why - they don't want their biggest cash cow to leave.........
 
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