Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Kev The Rat]

the Brexit vote was a trigger event for historical changes that were waiting to roll. In fact the origins of the decision to hold a Referendum vote can be traced back to the 2015 GE result and the way it showed the status quo in British politics was breaking down particularly in the wake of the SNP wipe out of Labour in Scotland and the big gains for UKIP in the popular vote in England. In some ways the EU is incidental. It is just a lightning conductor for the way the UK political system has started to unravel. Just ignoring the Referendum result or holding a new referendum so we can stay in the EU is not going to fix the fundamental problems in the way the UK is run, particularly how London and the City distorts the political and economic decision making process. In that respect sorting out our own constitutional and political problems really need to take priority.

Unfortunately, because of the way the EU operates and its own difficulties both our internal and external relationships are going to have to be resolved simultaneously. That is a task that seems to be way beyond our hopelessly introverted parliamentarians who seem more about creating, protecting and advancing political career opportunities than tackling the needs of the country.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Ah...I asked earlier...didn't get a response. If no EU, then they'd be stupid to go.

The EU has said time and time again that it was the UK that was/is part of the EU and a newly independent Scotland would have to attempt to join again. And why on earth would the EU take a newly independent Scotland with a large chuck of the UK debt? They'd stand a very real chance of being the next Greece! The EU won't touch them with a barge pole and the SNP know it! Also as I've said before many countries within the EU would veto the Scots, Spain and Italy are terrified of parts of their own country's breaking up and don't want to set a dangerous (from their perspective anyway) scenario.

 

[toffee matt]

Slightly ironic that people that campaigned and voted to "take back control" are now telling the Scots that they can't "take back control" for themselves

 

[ianefc]

 

[Seanjd]

No worries mate, apparently it was predicted and we'll be alright soon. Dunno how soon, like.

 

[ianefc]

No worries mate, apparently it was predicted and we'll be alright soon. Dunno how soon, like.

From project fear to project reality. Whilst the vote winners go missing or retract their promises.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

They had their

Slightly ironic that people that campaigned and voted to "take back control" are now telling the Scots that they can't "take back control" for themselves

They had their chance to take back control in their own referendum just over a year ago and didn't take it. Now they are in a weaker position them ever. The EU don't want them alone and numerous countries would veto them entertaining. If they want to go independent without out either us or the EU then I say go for it! It's your funeral Scotland. They won't though because the SNP know they're in a much worse position them they were last they had a referendum. Furthermore it took us over fourty years to get our chance to get a second referendum on the common market (we never voted to join the EU in the first place) so Scotland can dry their tears and wait. They had their chance and blew it, it's by no means certain they'd vote to leave anyway. We got told it was a certainty they'd leave last time and they didn't.

 

[DualityNSNO]

They had their

They had their chance to take back control in their own referendum just over a year ago and didn't take it. Now they are in a weaker position them ever. The EU don't want them alone and numerous countries would veto them entertaining. If they want to go independent without out either us or the EU then I say go for it! It's your funeral Scotland. They won't though because the SNP know they're in a much worse position them they were last they had a referendum. Furthermore it took us over fourty years to get our chance to get a second referendum on the common market (we never voted to join the EU in the first place) so Scotland can dry their tears and wait. They had their chance and blew it, it's by no means certain they'd win anyway. We got told it was a certainty they'd leave last time and they didn't.

Why would this happen now but wouldn't have happened a year ago?

Also I'd bet people would, in a heartbeat, vote to leave the UK and become an independent EU country. I was for in the stay camp last time around, but now, if anything, it makes more sense, and if it happens and I'm here - I'd vote to leave the UK, if a solid plan for action was made this time.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Why would this happen now but wouldn't have happened a year ago?

Also I'd bet people would, in a heartbeat, vote to leave the UK and become an independent EU country. I was for in the stay camp last time around, but now, if anything, it makes more sense, and if it happens and I'm here - I'd vote to leave the UK, if a solid plan for action was made this time.

How many times does it have to be repeated. The EU do not want an Independent Scotland! They said so before their last referendum, which is arguably one of the reasons they voted to remain. They would have to join all over again and Spain would veto it. They are terrified of Catalonia breaking away, Italy are the same with Sicily. Plus why on earth would the EU want potentially the next Greece?! Because financially that's what a newly independent Scotland would be.

 

[Tubey]

At least in this one we had a choice eh lads? AMIRITE?

 

[Seanjd]

It's a shame the leave campaign have wiped all history of their lies, propaganda and false promises from their website.

 

[hullefc]

How many times does it have to be repeated. The EU do not want an Independent Scotland! They said so before their last referendum, which is arguably one of the reasons they voted to remain. They would have to join all over again and Spain would veto it. They are terrified of Catalonia breaking away, Italy are the same with Sicily. Plus why on earth would the EU want potentially the next Greece?! Because financially that's what a newly independent Scotland would be.

Spokespeople for the EU said an Independent Scotland could remain in the EU after the Scottish Independent Referendum.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Spokespeople for the EU said an Independent Scotland could remain in the EU after the Scottish Independent Referendum.

There's been conflicting reports then because Donald Tusk said different and even if they did allow it, it's Only if they get it past all members and the Spanish would veto it.

 

[thirdmantackle]

It's strange.

If the UK had a proportional representation voting system, instead of 'first past the post's then UKIP would have at least 20 seats, based on their % of the overall vote.

And nobody would ever have agreed to a referendum on EU membership if they were an actual visible political force in the commons.

 

[bizzaro]

At least in this one we had a choice eh lads? AMIRITE?

I think it utterly disgraceful that Nigel Farage has 'gone to ground' since last Friday - whilst the markets and the economic damage he's caused continues.

Utter trumpet.