Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Jebus_lives]

 

[orchard]

Colonisers always say that, and they never asked me who i wanted to head up the operation. 17trillion say 'go away'.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Colonisers always say that, and they never asked me who i wanted to head up the operation. 17trillion say 'go away'.

It was the first step of the European Army to take over our bodily fluids.

 

[Black Belt Jones]

Apologies for the source, but one insider on Reddit made an interesting point:

Brexit exodus as quarter of civil servants working on deal quit in six months

EXCLUSIVE: More than 500 civil servants have left the Department of Exiting the EU since its creation in July 2016 - along with two ministers...

www.mirror.co.uk

Can you imagine being given a project like that at work - we need you to work on this massive, critically important megaproject for two years, that is a complete turd. And no way of de-turdifying it, so let's all get stuck in and roll it in glitter. Be so demoralising and basically impossible to do a good job.

 

[Walken]

He was playing to the gallery for clowns like himself. An utter embarrassment to our nation.

I think Heselatine summed up that 6 fingered chinless born-to-rule slaver quite nicely, and I'm paraphrasing here as I'm too lazy to do my research but fortunately I'm not paid a great sum of money to do so. He described him as a man who waits at the back of the crowd to see what they are saying, then runs to the front and shouts follow me, he is wholly without integrity.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I think Heselatine summed up that 6 fingered chinless born-to-rule slaver quite nicely, and I'm paraphrasing here as I'm too lazy to do my research but fortunately I'm not paid a great sum of money to do so. He described him as a man who waits at the back of the crowd to see what they are saying, then runs to the front and shouts follow me, he is wholly without integrity.

Brilliant.

Just googled it. https://www.itv.com/goodmorningbrit...way-the-crowd-is-running-then-dashes-in-front

 

[Barnfred 55]

Don't believe everything you hear from S.A. Tache & Co. They wanted the border sealed completely up until about 20 years ago. They were against the GFA until they realised that they could achieve power through it. They only agreed to the bare minimum of all-island co-operation because as a governing party they are obliged to do so under the terms of the GFA. Their claim about wanting an open border is shallow; as far as they are concerned the more barriers between North and South the better as that enhances the continuity of Partition.

If they were really interested in the betterment of NI they would have accepted the initial backstop position (before it was amended at Teresa May's request to include the whole of the UK), which would have kept NI in the Single Market even though it had left the EU, giving it a unique advantage in terms of trade. But no, their precious union came first. Turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind.

In a nut shell, the DUP are on the verge of losing their place as the largest party in NI. Their Brexit stance has threatened to alienate so much of their core support that they have no option but to switch position now.

Their stance was purely constitutional based whereas it is economic concerns from its vote base that is forcing their back tracking.

As I said, I couldn't even begin to understand the situation in Ireland. It's complex, goes back many years and is really something that deserves it's own thread. I've never heard of S A Tache & Co and a quick google search didn't enlighten me either. Maybe I'm just being thicklol

But as regards your post, I very much doubt the DUP MPs were even consulted on the original EU proposal. There are various reasons why this wouldn't work for the UK "as a whole" which is why May insisted on it being changed.

 

[thirdmantackle]

As I said, I couldn't even begin to understand the situation in Ireland. It's complex, goes back many years and is really something that deserves it's own thread. I've never heard of S A Tache & Co and a quick google search didn't enlighten me either. Maybe I'm just being thicklol

But as regards your post, I very much doubt the DUP MPs were even consulted on the original EU proposal. There are various reasons why this wouldn't work for the UK "as a whole" which is why May insisted on it being changed.

You need to go back and read the thread and inform yourself

 

[Barnfred 55]

I should've clarified. The EU proposal for a backstop was exactly as I said. May's subsequent idea, to appease the DUP, will keep the UK in the CU Until it finalises it's eu trade deal. Both proposals, as you say, will leave NI in the single market.

May's backstop is mere can- kicking. The EU backstop proposal allows for the hardest of hard brexits to occur without need for an Irish hard border.

Have you read a summary of what concessions the US want in a trade deal? We should be grateful if the EU rules spare us those.

May's deal doesn't involve the UK being tied to the single market, only NI. That is the whole crux of the backstop - for it to apply to NI so custom checks happen in the channel, not on land. It was the UK calling for a customs union with an arrangement for unilateral withdrawal, in place of a backstop.

This was the relevant part of your post I'm referring to Ron. Yes you referred to the single market (whilst my original post specified the customs union) but you also referred to customs checks being carried out at sea rather than on land. But as members of the customs union there would be no checks at all. Plus I was talking about the deal that was on the table, not the one that the EU originally suggested that was rejected by May. I'm not sure why you thought I would be referring to the latter given it was now irrelevant having already been superseded. Anyway, lets move on.

As regards the highlighted bit, are you suggesting that the backstop allows for a hard Brexit without a hard border? How would that work?. I actually thought it was the exact opposite, that there was no way of having a hard Brexit without there being hard border in place.

Also, if the MPs vote for May's proposal, which is the only way that the Backstop can come into play, I cannot envisage a likely scenario whereby we would leave without a deal. Firstly, any proposal has to be approved by Parliament, and as we have seen from the developments over the last 7 days, Parliament does not want a hard Brexit. The proposal would then need to be agreed by the EU. And thirdly, and probably most importantly, the proposal would need to meet the requirements to avoid a hard border. I doubt the UK would impose one but the EU have already said that they would.

So for me, if the proposal on the table is confirmed, the only two possible outcomes are that we agree what in essence has to be a soft Brexit, or we go into the backstop.

 

[Barnfred 55]

You need to go back and read the thread and inform yourself

You can't just come out with comment like that. I haven't got a clue what you are referring to. So please explain yourself.

Unlike a lot of people on here, if I am wrong I'm quite prepared to admit it.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Apologies for the source, but one insider on Reddit made an interesting point:

Brexit exodus as quarter of civil servants working on deal quit in six months

EXCLUSIVE: More than 500 civil servants have left the Department of Exiting the EU since its creation in July 2016 - along with two ministers...

www.mirror.co.uk

Must be lies. I watched a man on TV say it will be the easiest thing we will ever do. Tie up a few deals and then all be home in time for tea.

 

[Barnfred 55]

It was the first step of the European Army to take over our bodily fluids.

That's one way of looking at it.

Another way is to say it is one of two very small agencies that the EU domiciled in the UK, despite it being the third largest contributor to it's annual budget.

Still, I do feel for the employees who have either lost their jobs or been forced to relocate to another country against their wishes.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Must be lies. I watched a man on TV say it will be the easiest thing we will ever do. Tie up a few deals and then all be home in time for tea.

They'll all roll over anyway.

 

[orchard]

You can't just come out with comment like that. I haven't got a clue what you are referring to. So please explain yourself.

Unlike a lot of people on here, if I am wrong I'm quite prepared to admit it.

Wowzers

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

As I said, I couldn't even begin to understand the situation in Ireland. It's complex, goes back many years and is really something that deserves it's own thread. I've never heard of S A Tache & Co and a quick google search didn't enlighten me either. Maybe I'm just being thicklol

But as regards your post, I very much doubt the DUP MPs were even consulted on the original EU proposal. There are various reasons why this wouldn't work for the UK "as a whole" which is why May insisted on it being changed.

Sammy 'The Tache' Wilson, the DUP's...erm..."Brexit Spokesperson" and all round hater of everything Irish.