Current Affairs EU In or Out

[MikeEFC1878x]

Hang on a minute, so we have an environment where the financial markets are spooked in a major way, where the shares in the state owned banks are suspended to stop further falls, and you actually want the Chancellor to add to that by raising taxes?

He has a responsibility here to paint things in a reasonable light to try and dampen the fear in the markets. I very much expect such a budget to come, but now is really not the right time.

But he was all for fear when trying to scare people into voting remain, don't trust him should resign.

 

[orchard]

The commoner's we've entrusted with governance have betrayed us, and continue to do so. Throwing away democracy (the only time we've had it in a long time) doesn't solve this, and if we don't want democracy for its failings, it would be absolutely stupid to give the power to liars and crooks.

The thing is, when I talk to companies you always urge them to only try and make the kind of mistakes you can walk away from. I'm not going to suggest that leaving the EU will sink Britain because it won't, but it isn't something we can reverse very easily at all. Had the decision been based upon some things that are reasonable, if disputed by the remain side, then fine, but the main aspects of the campaign are already unraveling to the extent that the whole campaign seems to have been based upon misleading claims, if not downright dishonesty.

So we're having what is likely to be a really bad move that was based upon dishonest grounds and that we cannot wind back very easily whatsoever. There really is no shame in saying "we were wrong..."

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

So you expect him to say "yup, we're pretty much screwed", and then sit and watch the markets be eviscerated?

Obviously he's going to try paint things brighter than what they are, but it just makes him look a bit of a tit considering what he said before the vote.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

My brother and I were talking yesterday about how ultimately, the Conservatives do not want to give up power, whether remain or leave. There is still a Conservative government, and a weak economy as a weak economy on their watch.

Really is a crying shame that the Labour party are so weak.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

That's code for "I couldn't get it through parliament, nobody knows what is going on and I'm just hoping the new leader gives me a place in the cabinet."

Do you reckon he'll fall on his sword eventually.

 

[Seanjd]

Do you reckon he'll fall on his sword eventually.

I reckon Boris would give him a job. He'll be gutted like, a few weeks ago he looked dead cert to be next leader/PM

 

[Rob17896]

Where are the Remainers that complaining about Osborne's lie about emergency budget?


No all quiet on western front then? Only seem to care about difference between 350 Mil Gross, and 200+ Mil net per week and don't know the difference.

He has said there will have to be an autumn budget, we dont know the total damage yet. He cant show too much panic, things are bad enough.

 

[Seanjd]

Giz a job, Boris. Go 'ed, I can do that.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Obviously he's going to try paint things brighter than what they are, but it just makes him look a bit of a tit considering what he said before the vote.

I suspect that will come later on in the year (probably under a new PM), but now really isn't the time for it. I mean since the votes were announced, the government has lost something like £4bn in value from its share in RBS alone. It would be negligent in the extreme to add fuel to the fire.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I reckon Boris would give him a job. He'll be gutted like, a few weeks ago he looked dead cert to be next leader/PM

Was thinking the same, that Boris may try and keep him on if he becomes prime minister (yikes, Boris as prime minister) do you reckon it may make Osbourne look weak if he stayed on under Boris.

 

[Seanjd]

Was thinking the same, that Boris may try and keep him on if he becomes prime minister (yikes, Boris as prime minister) do you reckon it may make Osbourne look weak if he stayed on under Boris.

It would make him look weak, although I don't think he would be too bothered.

 

[dandydan]

Can people pay to join the conservatives and be able to vote on a new leader? Be a crying shame if Labour members pulled that stunt.

 

[MikeEFC1878x]

He has said there will have to be an autumn budget, we dont know the total damage yet. He cant show too much panic, things are bad enough.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ole-in-public-finance-if-uk-votes-to-leave-eu


Some how don't think this is going to happen.. Laughable if people do no wonder it's in that lefty rag Guardian

 

[MikeEFC1878x]

Corybn should stay, it's the blairites who want him to leave before the war crime report comes out.

 

[catcherintherye]

You and I may hold the opinion it was based on a lie but that's not how you challenge a democratic decision. Who is going to determine whether the referendum was fairly campaigned on or organised? Which UK Court is going to accept a challenge? What's the legal basis for doing so?

There is none.

I don't think the referendum should be re-run. Nor should it, the majority of people voted to leave.

I think were things get thorny though is the Northern Ireland and particularly Scottish issue. I know for many English voters the SNP are seen the northern faction of the PLO but once you look past bias nothing they are saying is unreasonable. A huge majority of their country voted to remain and every one of their 32 constituencies voted to remain, yet they face themselves being dragged out of Europe. Whether a UK court would accept that as being undemocratic I don't know but a European court would look at that very closely. When you study the Lisbon Treaty article 50 I find it very hard to reconcile the terms being met when you consider the situation with Scotland. If the EU allowed it to go ahead it would make a mockery of their legal system (especially when they rejected the Greek referendum on a similar basis 2 years ago as not meeting the standards required).

People won't like how the SNP are behaving but all they are doing is trying to reflect their own countries vote (which was a 600% higher majority for remain when compared to that of leave across the 4 countries). There is a sharp contrast but in all fairness that is not the SNP's or Scotland's doing, the fault line lies firmly with the government who have not considered how divisive this could be.

Much of the legalistic discussion will revolve around how far can Scotland be considered a country. It has it's own Parliament, sets increasing rules on taxation, education health and fiscal currency as well as having it's own government. Whether that stands up or not is up for debate but I would urge anyone to read the article 50 of the Lisbon treaty and ask, if they lived in a country where every one of the 32 states voted to remain whether it would be democratic to drag said country out.