Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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so out of 17.4 million out voters where Free Movement was high on the agenda of the OUT vote - its just my fault over this point you bang on about - OK Bruce - Its just when I was was 16 I worked in fields horticulturaly - far cruder Labour of the automated machinery today in planting in fields , but as someone who has done it the hard way I have to accpet your ideology that no UK teenager wants to do it , and some gang master farmers are not taking advantage of the cheap Labour from the EU - by the way Farage and other MPs mainly tories get slated on here over Free movement -How about a Labour PM -


The entire working culture of the UK has transformed since British workers last filled seasonal farm work jobs to any significant extent. Rural communities have been transformed due to the “drift from the land” of locals, and people from cities moving to the country or buying second homes, pricing potential farm workers out of the local housing market.

As a result, physically able unemployed people are now less likely to live anywhere near the farms requiring workers. Transport systems in rural areas are limited, and basic, temporary housing is unlikely to attract people away from comfortable, permanent housing situated close to friends and family.

The current benefits system also deters the unemployed from engaging in any kind of seasonal work due to the inflexibility of signing on and off. Add this to the inconsistency of work availability itself, and there is little wonder why no compulsion exists to pick fruit.

Fruits of hard labour
The conditions of seasonal work – low pay, physically demanding, long and unsociable hours – do not help. They are far from the expectations of the typical British worker, who is now culturally tuned to a 40-hour Monday to Friday schedule. There is also a greater desire for career progression, which is unlikely to occur in the world of fruit picking. These expectations contrast starkly with how farmers perceive the work ethic of Eastern Europeans. It is from this gap that the “lazy” label has grown and been perpetuated by farmers and the media towards British workers.

But even if conditions and incentives of picking fruit and veg were improved, British workers would still be unlikely to perform it because of how this kind of work is perceived. Among other things, the task has become negatively associated with migrant workers and slave labour. Farmers have repeatedly tried to employ locals, with a drastically low rate of return, telling stories of few turning up for interviews and even fewer returning after just several days of work.
 
So are you proposing we make a deal with the eu after leaving, trade under WTO or we stop trading with them altogether?

If we want to sell to the eu, we will need to conform to all their standards anyway. Look at how slowly their deal with USA is progressing. Not even one of the largest two economies in the world can twist the eu into dropping regulation. You think we will? Any deal or trade with the eu post brexit will involve us manufacturing to eu standards - rules we are beholden to but no longer have a say in creating.

It doesn’t matter to whom we sell, we always have to adhere to the buying countries standards, and vice versa.....this is a non issue.....
 
One Labour were in favour of universal credit as it sounded sensible on paper......
Two what the and where is the money disappearing under Foreign aid - I agree with us having a budget for it, but not index linked - oh by the way if we can't spend it all at the end of the financial year we had a fair bit of it back to the EU........ Again Labour is for a bigger foreign aid budget.......
  1. It does have some merit, in so much as it should simplify the benefits system. The problem is it's practical application.
  2. The foreign aid spending is detailed by the government as to where it spends it money. Currently around 75% is spent by DfID and the rest by Commonwealth. Pakistan and Syria receive the highest funding from the UK at my last check. And roughly 50% of the budget goes to Humanitarian aid and education.

We hand our aid budget back to the EU at the end of the financial year if we can't spend it???
 
It doesn’t matter to whom we sell, we always have to adhere to the buying countries standards, and vice versa.....this is a non issue.....
While that's correct, it's not exactly a non issue as we currently have supply chains, RoRo transport and no checks at the border with all EU. Our supply chain model is currently driven by access to the single market and free movement, which is why the UK are having to pile things like body bags and medicines.
 
Joe, you're supposed to be a bold, adventurous Brexiteer, not an old bloke harking back to your childhood. Don't let the mask slip now, you nearly pulled it off.
There is opportunity to overhaul the CAP and subsidy, which I think a lot of farmers wanted in respect of Brexit. The problem becomes what is replaced with and what the strategy is for UK agriculture. Some I exit will benefit, while others will definitely not.

Given the US is the biggest market outside the EU we will want to trade with, what are we going to be selling to the US that they currently don't get from us via EU membership? And what US imports and exports will we now have access to because of US policy.

More broadly what is the choice about what we sell globally. Greater export access in agriculture doesn't help scientific research trade in high end goods and financial services.
 
Which is half of the problem isn't it? Pete assumes all 17.4 million think like him. You assume they all think like you. Tommy Robinson probably thinks they all support him. All of you oppose a 2nd vote to understand what the 17.4 million actually want from Brexit.
You have to scrape the barrel hey Bruce Tommy Robinson FGS I have never supported him on this or any polictical thread indeed the opposite .....retract that please!
 
I have the same mask as 17.4 million people who voted Brexit ......
No, the problem is you don't. A woman I work with, her daughter voted leave, nothing to do with EU trade, nothing to do with CAP, nothing to do with ECJ. They voted leave because they couldn't get a job, their benefits had been cut and she didn't want 'sharia law' in the UK.

Is that the same reason as you Joey?
 
You have to scrape the barrel hey Bruce Tommy Robinson FGS I have never supported him on this or any polictical thread indeed the opposite .....retract that please!

I didn't say you did support him Joe, but he supported Brexit, as did people like Marine Le Pen. If you continue to lump yourself in with all leave voters, then you do inevitably include people like him in that, which I doubt you wish to for one minute. Leave voters voted the way they did for a huge range of different reasons, which is why I so wish you would stop lumping them all together as though they're a coherent mass.
 
I didn't say you did support him Joe, but he supported Brexit, as did people like Marine Le Pen. If you continue to lump yourself in with all leave voters, then you do inevitably include people like him in that, which I doubt you wish to for one minute. Leave voters voted the way they did for a huge range of different reasons, which is why I so wish you would stop lumping them all together as though they're a coherent mass.
Again I was with 17.4 million voters Bruce no affiliation to the names you mentioned typical of you....I should be used to it by now!
It's a pathetic response from you.... but you won't retract it ?
 
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