Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
We don’t have to match the current Eu trade deals. We will gain via WTO tariffs.....we will make money because they sell more to us then we do to them......

There will not be lost EU arrangements. Half the EU countries do sod all trade with us, the others however are both on the hook for their sales and also access to money from the London Banks.....Switzerland has today done a deal, Italy wants to break from the Eu and do a deal, Germany is sticking with the EU but their companies are terrified because of their positive trade figures with the U.K. you have fallen into the usual trap of believing we are beholden on the EU......
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We do have to match the EU trading arrangements we have if we want to see benefit from an exit.

Access to the single market adds massive value to the UK, as does freedom of movement. WTO trading arrangements are not of greater benefit to the UK than the current arrangements in place - regardless of who we do deals with. Now, you may argue that we will build upon the arrangements from WTO, but in 2 years time we definitely won't, and we will not be in as strong a position as we were, in say, a single market like the EU.

I don't believe we are beholden to the EU, it's not a trap, we are however wilfully harming our economy by leaving, short term and medium term. There is no forecast or sensible economist or trade negotiatiator that thinks it's a sensible idea.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
We do have to match the EU trading arrangements we have if we want to see benefit from an exit.

Access to the single market adds massive value to the UK, as does freedom of movement. WTO trading arrangements are not of greater benefit to the UK than the current arrangements in place - regardless of who we do deals with. Now, you may argue that we will build upon the arrangements from WTO, but in 2 years time we definitely won't, and we will not be in as strong a position as we were, in say, a single market like the EU.

I don't believe we are beholden to the EU, it's not a trap, we are however wilfully harming our economy by leaving, short term and medium term. There is no forecast or sensible economist or trade negotiatiator that thinks it's a sensible idea.
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And yet, many people, intelligent people, feel that we will be better out than in......
 
peteblue said:
Excellent, so how much per week do you think is available.....
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Well, I think the £327 Million per week in 2016, less the £75million rebate, less the £87 million to the treasury for Treasury including farming subsidies and regional aid, less about £19 million direct to the private sector from the EU (so about £146 million - less than £3 per head) was pretty good value for the benefits of free trade, development of poorer countries in Europe, peace, space contracts, medicine , and other bodies which were based in the UK, and being an English speaking hub for foreign investment into the EU, and no roaming charges, compensation for late flights, Erasmus student exchanges etc,.

Do none of those things mean anything to you?

There never was £350 million per week.

And there never will be. You are not buying an economic miracle, or freedom. Just a specious "taking of control" which amounts to selling ourselves to anyone who will trade with us. We are not in a position to demand anything.

But you seem happy. I am 59. I fear for my children and grandchildren - they didn't vote for this copulating shambles!
 
JammyP said:
Well, I think the £327 Million per week in 2016, less the £75million rebate, less the £87 million to the treasury for Treasury including farming subsidies and regional aid, less about £19 million direct to the private sector from the EU (so about £146 million - less than £3 per head) was pretty good value for the benefits of free trade, development of poorer countries in Europe, peace, space contracts, medicine , and other bodies which were based in the UK, and being an English speaking hub for foreign investment into the EU, and no roaming charges, compensation for late flights, Erasmus student exchanges etc,.

Do none of those things mean anything to you?

There never was £350 million per week.

And there never will be. You are not buying an economic miracle, or freedom. Just a specious "taking of control" which amounts to selling ourselves to anyone who will trade with us. We are not in a position to demand anything.

But you seem happy. I am 59. I fear for my children and grandchildren - they didn't vote for this copulating shambles!
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So by your calculations £146M per week is now available for use within the U.K. .....is that what you are saying.....your numbers not mine.....
 
JammyP said:
Well, I think the £327 Million per week in 2016, less the £75million rebate, less the £87 million to the treasury for Treasury including farming subsidies and regional aid, less about £19 million direct to the private sector from the EU (so about £146 million - less than £3 per head) was pretty good value for the benefits of free trade, development of poorer countries in Europe, peace, space contracts, medicine , and other bodies which were based in the UK, and being an English speaking hub for foreign investment into the EU, and no roaming charges, compensation for late flights, Erasmus student exchanges etc,.

Do none of those things mean anything to you?

There never was £350 million per week.

And there never will be. You are not buying an economic miracle, or freedom. Just a specious "taking of control" which amounts to selling ourselves to anyone who will trade with us. We are not in a position to demand anything.

But you seem happy. I am 59. I fear for my children and grandchildren - they didn't vote for this copulating shambles!
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Don’t worry about your grandchildren, they will be fine outside of the EU. Everything I do and plan for, and I spend a lot of time and money on this, is for the benefit of my granddaughter and I would do nothing to reduce or interfere with her future life......we may have differing opinions but similar aims......
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
I am. I've seen nothing to suggest in here that there is any benefit. But it should be really simple for you to outline them, yet you can't or won't.

Similarly @Joey66 goes remarkably quiet when you ask him what the plan for Brexit is.

Not great on detail you leave lot.
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Just leave - we do 40 percent with the EU trade the rest world wide via the EU 10 billion that's a high price to pay to a polictical union on our behalf - we stick to the regulations other EU countries don't eg pork farmers versus Dane pack.......
It has been a similar story in Sweden, which has banned tail-docking and farrowing crates, and was the first country to prohibit sow stalls, in 1994. At that time almost all the pork sold in the country was domestically produced. Its self-sufficiency dropped to 70% after the country joined the EU in 1995, with a surge in imports from Germany and Denmark where costs of production are lower.
 
peteblue said:
Bruce, there are over 2500 pages on here. I have asked you many times to explain the benefits of being in the EU, not a single page contains your reply or that information.....
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Well I stand by the benefits I set out for a start, in the paragraph just above. I presume you want to keep the magic money tree for everyone on the Island
 
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